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  •  Really?! (2+ / 0-)
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    You really can't grasp that those who represent our will voted to repeatedly to reauthorize the Patriot Act?!

    It doesn't matter what one feels about domestic surveillance. A majority of Americans elected the various Congresses that voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act every single time. Whether we like it or not, this is what a freely elected government enacted.

    No one has the right to nullify that. Now matter what you feel about the Patriot Act.

    •  Last time I checked it takes a whole lot more (3+ / 0-)
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      than a vote in Congress to repeal an amendment to the United States Constitution.

      Moreover, the adminstration's interpretation of Section 215 of the Patriot Act likely broader than what Congress intended in passing the law.  Of course we won't know for sure unless/until the administration produces its interpretation.

      •  The Constitutionality of the collection of (3+ / 0-)
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        metadata was established well before the Patriot Act. Established by the Supreme Court. I'm by no means a lawyer, but their reasoning in the case of phone metadata seems sound, because metadata, by itself, can't identify anyone, which is another reason the ACLU's argument is weak. They'd have to know not only that their phone calls were logged, but that they were also identified. They can't claim the NSA knew about them specifically unless they have evidence that the NSA identified that theirs was one of the billions of numbers.

    •  So if the Supreme Court ruled it (0+ / 0-)

      unconstitutional, you would be sad?

      What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

      by happymisanthropy on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 06:46:59 PM PDT

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    •  Anybody who voted for the Patriot Act most... (0+ / 0-)

      ...certainly did NOT represent MY will.

      They may have represented YOUR will, though. I can't speak for you.

      You really can't grasp that those who represent our will voted to repeatedly to reauthorize the Patriot Act?!
      Next you're going to tell me that those who voted for and signed into law DOMA represented my will.

      Stop the NRA and the NSA
      Repeal the Patriot Act and the 2nd Amendment

      by dream weaver on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 01:41:18 AM PDT

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