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  •  Unfortunately (1+ / 0-)
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    One is going to wind up vilifying people who work in intelligence as fools, dupes, or unthinking. (In a similar vein to how many left-of-center people consider miitary personnel who don't leak secrets, but that's another rant.)

    There is a common thread though: everybody wants to stake out a moral position and fight about that.

    •  what, in the cartoon, (9+ / 0-)

      portrays NSA snoops as foolish?  Nothing I can see, unless you think that comparing them to coal miners is an insult.

      What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

      by happymisanthropy on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 07:18:22 AM PDT

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    •  like the NSA guys who passed around (5+ / 0-)

      "pillow talk" MP3's for shits and giggles?

      those poor, poor maligned "professionals"

      Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

      by Boogalord on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 08:38:28 AM PDT

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    •  I'll repeat this (3+ / 0-)

      You need to separate three issues.

      1. The goodness of the leakers, or lack thereof.    These disclosures aren't always a function of brave, high minded people.  However, you need to distinguish between the messenger and the message.

      2. The legality of the behavior that was exposed.  This is a separate issue.  If I pull a bank heist and in the process expose a multibillion dollar fraud, the illegality of sticking up banks has no bearing on the illegality of big-dollar embezzlement.

      3. The underlying set of governmental policies that are revealed by this.  Is the NSA reading this right now?  Probably not.  They're not spying on me; I'm much more worried about my insurance carrier and my employer than any bunch of spooks.  But there is a clear underlying strong-daddy assumption in all of this ("thust us, this is important for our security, you aren't really giving up freedom, and if you disagree you're a traitor").  If they thought if it were legally and politically and technologically feasible, I don't doubt that they'd try to re-create 1984.  You deal with this by killing it now while it's still politically feasible to kill it.

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