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  •  I would have to disagree. (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm a high-tech worker who came to the US, worked for a bit and then started my own company. I created jobs that wouldn't have existed here. High-paying jobs exporting software all over the world. But my case is small. What about Google? Intel? Founded by immigrants. Do we really want those companies started elsewhere?

    My home country, Canada, and Australia, the UK, etc. are going after the best and brightest from all over the world. The US has the finest universities in the world. They take the smart people from all over the world, educate them and then send them to other countries. It's very short-sighted.

    And, by the way, when I advertise for positions, the response is dismal. It's very difficult to find qualified workers in tech at the moment.

    •  How about training them? (3+ / 0-)
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      ManhattanMan, eps62, IT Professional

      That's how it used to work.  You hire people with some knowledge of what you need, perhaps they have other qualities that make for a good employee, and you train them to do what you need.  You start them at a lower salary while training and you give them raises as they learn.  

    •  Two points. (1+ / 0-)
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      1) If you got funding in the US, you got capital that would have otherwise gone to an American. (If you brought your own capital, there are already fast & legal pathways for you to come here legally).

      2) If you are not getting good job applicants, then The Free Market is trying to tell you something: You are paying too little. Try increasing salaries by 30% and the resumes will roll in!

      •  We grew this company from customers (1+ / 0-)
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        in 50 countries around the world. How's that taking money from Americans?

        We started it with sweat equity.

        Every person I hired is an American. They are all partners in the company.

        As for #2.  Yeah, I take your point. If I really, really wanted people, I could pay them enough to get them. We're already paying into six figures, though, in small-town America.  It's more an issue with location than salary.

        Believe me, though, the shortage is real. We need a lot more American kids (like mine one day) going into tech careers.

    •  Supply and Demand (3+ / 0-)
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      ManhattanMan, eps62, IT Professional

      Please spare me the "I can't find anyone to hire " bs. It's econ 101 - keep raising the wage until you have more qualified applicants than you can hire, then dial it back a skosh.

    •  A couple questions. (1+ / 0-)
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      Did you come to the US on an H-1B visa? I think not, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to start your own company in the US because your sponsoring employer would have sent you back to Canada when they tired of you.

      Did the founders of Google and Intel arrive on H-1B visas? Well, no. Sergey Brin immigrated to the United States with his family from the Soviet Union at the age of six. Andy Grove  escaped from Communist-controlled Hungary at the age of 20 and moved to the United States.

      Do Canadian tech companies pay similar wages to US tech companies? Why, yes. Yes, they do.

      US companies import H-1B workers from India, China, Vietnam, Philippines, etc. only because they can pay them less than Canadian, US, and European workers.

      Here's an excerpt from an excellent interview with Senator Bernie Sanders that lays out the issues.

      "I am aware that there may well be certain high-skilled jobs in specific areas in high skilled technical industries that American companies are finding it hard to fill. I find it hard to understand that, when nine million people in this country have degrees in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields, only about three million have jobs in these areas.

      Furthermore, as someone who was led to believe that what economics was about was supply and demand, if you need workers in a certain area, you need to raise wages. I have a hard time understanding the notion that there’s a severe need for more workers from abroad when wages for these jobs rose only 4.5 percent between 2000 and 2011. You see stagnant wages for high skilled workers, when these companies tell you that they desperately need high skilled workers."

      A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

      by edg on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 11:41:38 AM PDT

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