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  •  Of course there aren't "concrete action items" (2+ / 0-)
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    We've got a bunch of asses going around saying nothing is wrong and throwing up word salads like this. You have literally said nothing more here. You could have simply said "I just want to talk about specifics and their effectiveness." Or you could actually talk about the specifics. I mean, instead of going on and on about how we need to have a conversation and such maybe, and I know this is crazy but bear with me, maybe all these people saying we need a conversation about this should start a fucking conversation and talk about what they think might be done.

    and please, paragraph breaks.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 05:27:51 PM PDT

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    •  I'll take the note about paragraph breaks, (0+ / 0-)

      But "nothing's wrong everything's fine" is too glib, and "I just want to talk about specifics" is also not right either - not to the extent it implies indifference to other implications (or agreement with your take on them).  While my thoughts are admittedly tentative he I can't get too much into specs, the "word salad" was my attempt to "have that fucking conversation."

       I'm also pretty sure I didn't say anything that would suggest personal attack, quite the opposite. If we're telling people what their arguments should have been by their own lights, "the slippery slope risk is still there, because if you can justify this on security grounds you can justify anything" would be quite sufficient. In fact, feel free to use it with the next "ass" you run into.  

       It's not at all clear from that what you want or expect to happen if, as surely will be the case, it's not overturned by Congress or unilaterally abandoned.  I think one possibility is to develop stricter oversight and again reaffirm what other checks are there, and another might be to work towards a theory of how "big data" can or should be used in contexts other than anti-terror stuff.  I had some tentative thoughts on each, but of course, you engaged me, as I responded to a specific point about gun background checks.

      Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

      by Loge on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 09:29:35 PM PDT

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