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  •  I'm glad that you enjoy my work. It was nice that (2+ / 0-)
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    RiveroftheWest, Youffraita

    this diary turned into so much conversation - I learned a lot.

    Creativity and being in control. Well, you can achieve great art while grasping your text around the neck, if you put in a huge amount of work. I think Tolstoy, Eliot, Joyce and Hemingway each wrote novels this way. But they each had huge talents, and so much spirit in them that it flowed into their work, even through their tightly clenched fingers.

    Looking at Dylan in the '60s and Bowie in the '70s, it seems that you can reach the same size of creative vision (if LPs compare to novels) with less conscious control. But you need a head full of ideas, a root system of social and human awareness, and a very finely balanced intuition.

    One way towards great art is to develop the control, and then find the confidence to let go and flow more intuitively - so you can make the same bold brushstrokes, but need less pressure to do so. Picasso did this, I think.

    "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

    by Brecht on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 07:21:03 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not QUITE certain (2+ / 0-)
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      what you mean:

      Looking at Dylan in the '60s and Bowie in the '70s, it seems that you can reach the same size of creative vision (if LPs compare to novels) with less conscious control.
      b/c I have always been under the impression that Bowie knew exactly what he was doing...that, in fact, his career was built on it (in much the same way as Madonna built hers and as Lady Gaga is building hers). IOW, total control over image and bling and everything else.

      Same creative vision, and same conscious control.

      Y'know?

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 12:13:03 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not entirely certain what I mean - my thoughts (1+ / 0-)
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        on this are evolving.

        Bowie has always been ambitious, diligent, thoughtful and looking towards the future. But he hasn't kept lucid and in control. Diamond Dogs was a sloppier album than the three before (Hunky, Ziggy, Aladdin). By Young Americans and Station to Station he was so pressured, twisted and coked out that he was living as a recluse, and seeing his walls open portals into other worlds and hells. So he fled to Berlin.

        Bowie, Madonna and Lady Gaga are similar. Yes, I can see they all control their own images, and own the package at the end of the day. But that's not their creative method: They all have enormous root structures, in the culture, influences and people around them. They reach out and absorb thousands of ideas in every direction. They are not logicians who sit alone and map out their campaigns, they are intuitives who feel all the currents and make the most of them.

        Sure, they all have logic in them. But it's not their deepest gift or power. Dylan said that Blood on the Tracks ('75) was the first time he managed to do consciously what he'd found by accident in his mid-'60s explosion of creativity.

        In the '70s, Bowie's unconscious kept exploding with new ideas, and he was very shrewd and nimble about picking the best ones, and building hits and albums out of them.

        "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

        by Brecht on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 02:41:45 PM PDT

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