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  •  That's lovely (1+ / 0-)
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    mythatsme

    But if that's the hope, America is screwed. The only thing that can save America from itself IS itself. The People elected Obama in the hopes that one man could fix everything that was shit-awful and it turned out that wasn't a reasonable expectation.

    The man has tried and not gotten credit in a number of areas that he should. However there's a whole host of other areas that he's not even going to bother getting into because the support isn't there or it will get swamped with 'Death Panel' shrieks from right wing harpies that are just louder than all the good folks standing around wishing and dreaming.

    It's up to the People and it always has been.

    "If that's what Fallujah is, then what's that band with all the Mexican kids in it?"

    by iSenseChange on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 10:49:53 AM PDT

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    •  yeah poor put-upon Obama (7+ / 0-)

      there's simply no way he could have sold some real healthcare reform like the public option.... those "death panel" arguments were just too ironclad and there was obviously no public support for a public option.... better to just dust off the Heritage plan from the nineties and hope the R's don't say anything mean about it, since it was their idea in the first place. we all know how that turned out.

      yeah, we the people are really the ones to blame there. for sure.

      Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

      by Boogalord on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 11:04:05 AM PDT

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      •   "we the people are really the ones to blame" (4+ / 0-)

        Yep, Occupy just gave into the Oakland cops and NYPD too quickly.
        Losers.

        •  All I'm sayin is (0+ / 0-)

          If you're waiting for the politicians to make things right for you? Good luck. Occupy was the only time I've ever seen the narrative shift away from what the MSM wants to deliver (DEBT! DEFICIT! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!) and the Far Right Death Panel screamers. More Occupy, please.  

          "If that's what Fallujah is, then what's that band with all the Mexican kids in it?"

          by iSenseChange on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 02:58:41 PM PDT

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      •  Regarding Obama (0+ / 0-)

        It was like a week before the NSA scandal brokw and I was disagreeing with a friend of mine that somehow thinks he's every bit as bad as Mitt Romney, one of those 'they're all the same' types. My response is Obama has done things I've disagreed with. And I'm disappointed with him in a number of things, #1 of which was not working to repeal things like the Patriot Act. I blame him for that. But for years now I think it rests on the People to make things right in the US of A or it all goes down the shitter. Occupy was a fine start.

        "If that's what Fallujah is, then what's that band with all the Mexican kids in it?"

        by iSenseChange on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 03:02:26 PM PDT

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      •  Hillary's plan was much better. I was horrified (0+ / 0-)

        when Obama picked the Romney plan over that.

        WTF!

      •  a belated rec as it's too late (0+ / 0-)

        for a real one. Great comment.

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