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  •  As I noted, I don't think it is about (4+ / 0-)
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    3goldens, native, Dallasdoc, devis1

    old or young.  I think that it is about aptitude.  My mother is really well educated and super smart, but when you talk with her about biology she's totally lost.  She doesn't have the aptitude for that subject.  

    Ask her about dictators in Eastern Europe and Central Asia, OTOH, and she's brilliant.  She's also never been good at understanding the inside baseball of technology, but she has always been a person who embraces it my parents bought one of the first consumer computers.  I thought they were nuts at the time.  I was the luddite in the family on that front for a while - lol.  A very boring computer programming class that we had to take in high school was the root of that - but I still got an "A" in the class because I have an aptitude for that stuff.  At the time, I just didn't see the value in it.

    Anyway, my Mother's aptitude for politics and foreign relations would have made her a brilliant Senator on many fronts, but not on this one, maybe - not without expert guidance.

    I think that you are sort of missing the larger point of this situation which is that elected officials were never supposed to be experts on every subject under the sun.  They were supposed to be people  who were called to decipher and decide issues on our behalf.  While there's not question that the number of dull tools in the shed is probably at an all time high right now, there are still some people who are super smart and sharp, but not necessarily in this arena of technology.

    I believe that the NSA is taking advantage of the fact that the people are completely left out of the debate and consideration of the matter --- and the fact is that once you get down to it, there are only a handful of people on those small intelligence committees in the House and Senate who have the innate ability to understand what they are saying.  

    It impossible to really tell how few get it, but based on which representatives who tried to warn the public prior to Snowden's disclosures, there are only two - Wyden and Udall - who both understand the technology and the potential for abuse.  Out of 600+ elected representatives in the Congress, there are TWO people.  And as long as the NSA and the Executive Branch have their way and keep everything in a Kafkaesque secret feedback loop, there probably will only ever be just two who really get it.

    I am not trying to make excuses for anyone as much as I am trying to point out that the system is set up to ensure that no competing stories interfere with whatever the NSA is telling the Congress - the fact that members blindly accept their stories is arguably a huge problem in and of itself, but there is zero hope of breaking that spell without impartial informed opinions being allowed into the realm of consideration - and we do not have that.

    Hell, they won't even tell anyone what their legal reasoning is - they are keeping that a secret - on some level that's the most telling part of the story - there aren't a lot of IT pro's in the Congress, but there are a lot of lawyers - keeping the legal reasoning secret from their scrutiny can't be an accident.

    •  Understand much better and thanks (1+ / 0-)
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      inclusiveheart

      for taking the time.  Your last 4 paragraphs really say it IMO.

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 12:04:45 PM PDT

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