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  •  you can call it what you like (63+ / 0-)

    and believe it is possible or not possible.  

    The point remains that a top GOP political operative has issued perhaps the single most seditious statement of anyone in a similar position in modern American history.  

    Can you imagine the firestorm if a top political operative for a potential Democratic senator and presidential primary contender said anything remotely like that?

    •  Surely somewhere there's a close eye kept on them, (4+ / 0-)
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      no? I mean, perhaps it's crickets for a reason? Fwiw anecdotally, the fundies I know (domininionists all) seem to be quite out of steam in recent months. I've never seen them so quiet, so seemingly spent.

      God bless our tinfoil hearts.

      by aitchdee on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 07:27:05 PM PDT

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      •  Lane is at the top of his game (31+ / 0-)

        He organized a trip to Israel for 50 evangelical leaders and political activists, including Rand Paul on behalf of the American Family Association a few months ago. They met with the PM of Israel, Palestine and the King of Jordan, among others.  It received major coverage in the Washington Post and Lane was quoted in the story. Lane also told the Washington Times that the trip was definitely a step for Paul towards 2016.

        So Lane organizing the trip & access to heads of state merited major coverage and his call for martyrs and insurrection does not?  

        I have no explanation.

        •  the two are related (2+ / 0-)
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          I note that various Christian groups have done things such as actually commissioning a cornerstone for the Fourth Temple and even having replicas of priestly garb and temple ornaments created.  I have to wonder how closely this guy is associated with the groups who advocate such things as bulldozing the al Aqsa mosque?

        •  I've never heard of Rand Paul as a (1+ / 0-)
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          "born-again" person. Am I missing something? I sort of assumed he was just a conservative reactionary with a great deal of vituperation.  And a big thirst for power to go with his big head.

          Certainly his father's libertarianism (such as it is) does not go well with a Christianist agenda.

          Democrats promote the Common good. Republicans promote Corporate greed.

          by murasaki on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 10:57:12 PM PDT

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          •  My sense (6+ / 0-)

            is that Rand Paul didn't come from a particularly religious background but is actively seeking (un)holy synergies.

            You know, which lunatic could get the backing of prominent conservative Christian groups would have a big leg up in the Republican primaries.

            A 47% return on investment--that's pretty doggoned good!

            by deminva on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 03:04:14 AM PDT

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          •  there does seem too be some (1+ / 0-)
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            synergy between the two camps. At the B&N bookstore parking lot the other day, I saw one of those cars where the owner is proud of their stupid. The back was covered with RPaul bumper stickers, as well as Christian dominionist ones, and plugs for Inf*wars.  

          •  Rand Paul has been as immersed in (5+ / 0-)

            Dominionism as his father has. The media just seems to miss it. Ron Paul is connected to the Constitution Party through a man who worked for him (name is escaping me at the moment). Rand Paul gave a speech at a rally in MN in 2009 that was sponsored by the Constitution Party. Just look up that group and you will see dominionism at its best.  The hiring of Lane is no real surprise for those who have been digging into Rand's background support and personal views.  However, now that he has hired Lane, I am hoping that more comes out in the media about Rand's extreme views.

            •  I flirted with Ron Paul a bit over legalization (1+ / 0-)
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              But then I noticed at Lew Rockwell's website (Which seems to be Ron's Internet home) that Christian Reconstuctionist bigwig Gary North was featured a lot there too. Rockwell's site is mostly right-libertarian (not a lot about stonings) but given what I know about North it soured me on Paul.

              “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Lyndon Baines Johnson

              by spacecadet1 on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 09:27:46 AM PDT

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        •  media coverage (0+ / 0-)
          So Lane organizing the trip & access to heads of state merited major coverage and his call for martyrs and insurrection does not?  

          I have no explanation.

          Because the insurrection does not fit the narrative the media is pushing.

          Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

          by Dirtandiron on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 04:51:09 AM PDT

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      •  One scary aspect (9+ / 0-)

        for me of living in so large a country is that you can travel in certain circles and see no evidence of this worldview at all -- yet in others have it be stifling.

        I used to have occasion to travel to large Southern cities like Richmond and Charlotte, where there are some huge nondenominational churches with associated schools.  

        Now I live on Cape Cod, where there's no such thing, and I tend to travel to bigger metropolitan areas like Manhattan and Chicago.  I don't see that same stuff, and out of sight can mean out of mind.

        The good news, as last November's election and public opinion polls show, is that conservative Christian viewpoints are a shrinking minority in our country.  The scary news is that it can still be oppressive in many areas.

        A 47% return on investment--that's pretty doggoned good!

        by deminva on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 03:02:07 AM PDT

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        •  Giant corporate clone churches fail and succeed... (0+ / 0-)

          The law of diminishing returns hits them like any other would-be monopoly... they do well in the growth phase and get economies of scale with huge congregations and fewer clergy per thousand roping in large groups of donors,  easily afford gigantic temples to mammon type mega churches with all the lavish floor shows that Vegas could envy with the tech and trappings to boot  still pay themselves lavish salaries and expenses...

          But like every aspiring monopoly... say like Budweiser attempting to destroy all competition and make all beer all Bud, all the time a while ago... the dream choice becoming either Bud or nothing... they reaches market saturation point well before that... training taste buds or training people to accept one version of religious observance and experience runs out of expansion room once they get all the people who most fit with what they are selling... advertising and peer pressure can only drag in part of the fence sitters who need coaxing and trying to get customers from those who just do not like what you are selling is a losing proposition... when it becomes coercion or denial of choice, people rebel... one way or another.

          "The tighter your grip the more (Star systems)____ customers? believers? will slip through your fingers"...
          as true for the Empire in "Star Wars" as it is for religious nondenominational denominations, dominionists or beer empires... not to mention any kind of empire that outlives its growth phase and gets into its grumpy extra coercive phase...
          Alternative faiths, no faith, agnostic pantheism... craft breweries... the many will vote with their feet and their money in the end... and the empire's rise plateaus and falters and then they just stagnate using and reusing their one-trick-pony "recipe for success" even when it no longer works so well.

          But that only makes the mega entity try harder via more frantic and illegal or corrupt means to get what it wants, what it has come to expect... but it does run into the limits of a finite reality and the awareness and end of patience of thinking people who care... thank goodness. But these crazy empire builders need to be nipped early enough... not in the "Bud"... but before reining them in becomes really bad for everyone... which is after it already becomes bad for everyone...

          Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

          by IreGyre on Sun Jun 30, 2013 at 09:03:14 AM PDT

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    •  btw Fred, I meant to say thank you (8+ / 0-)

      for the diary :^)

      God bless our tinfoil hearts.

      by aitchdee on Sat Jun 29, 2013 at 07:30:27 PM PDT

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