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  •  Sorry, (1+ / 0-)
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    but his release concerns individual American citizens. I don't think that is grounds to call someone a traitor or invoke the Espionage Act.

    •  The stuff on China and Russia is. (1+ / 0-)
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      "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

      by zenbassoon on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 02:01:48 PM PDT

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      •  You don't care that we're targeting (1+ / 0-)
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        civilian infrastructure of foreign powers that we aren't at war with. Or even in conflict with. China is one of our largest trade partners.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 03:12:53 PM PDT

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        •  How about diplomats and leaders? (1+ / 0-)
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          If the reports about Russia and the G8 are true

          "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

          by zenbassoon on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 03:34:50 PM PDT

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          •  That's different to be sure (0+ / 0-)

            But everyone assumed we were doing that already, right?

            I mean, that's the NSA's job, to spy on other countries.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 04:23:40 PM PDT

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        •  And as far as "civilian infrastructure" (1+ / 0-)
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          Don't you think China is doing the same to us?  the exact same thing?  Even before these revelations?

          "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

          by zenbassoon on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 03:36:03 PM PDT

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        •  No, I don't care about that, and they're doing it (0+ / 0-)

          to us too.  Surely you understand that.
          And the USSR was a trade partner throughout the Cold War.  Trading partner status has nothing to do with anything.

          Why do you care about spying on China/Russia?  Why not stick with the NSA spying on Americans issue?  Why are you conflating spying on China and Russia with spying on Americans?  Just because Snowden conflated the issue (losing him some support, according to a link posted upthread), doesn't mean that progressives need to do the same.

          •  I don't care about the spying (0+ / 0-)

            I care about targeting civilian infrastructure in ways that could backfire horribly. I assume that we're listening to everything that the Russian and Chinese say whenever we can. That's the whole job of the NSA. If they weren't doing that then I'd have to wonder why they even exist.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:25:23 PM PDT

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          •  And to clarify (0+ / 0-)

            I don't understand why he decided to report that we were spying on Russion and Chinese diplomats. It wasn't a revelation to them for sure. I think he has no clue what he's doing and while I'm glad he released the info about domestic spying us spying on Rusia and China is completely not news-worthy.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:27:19 PM PDT

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