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  •  This is actually wrong (31+ / 0-)
    And no particular type of man rapes either, could be anyone under the 'right' circumstances (when they are stronger and think they can get away with it.)
    The overwhelming majority of rape and a vastly disproportionate amount of other violence is perpretrated by a tiny percentage of particularly violent men.

    That particular study finds that in the college population they studied, 4% of men were responsible for about 91% of rapes (about 7 each already, in a college-age population) and 28% of total violence. A smaller group they call "single-act rapists" (those who admitted to one rape), who comprised 2% of the population, committed the remaining 9% of rapes and 6% of total violence.

    Another more recent study by the Navy arrives at similar figures. Further research has discovered that the serial rapists (around 5% of men responsible for about 90% of all rape) plan their crimes and select their victims carefully.

    Rape is not a crime of opportunity. If it seems that way, it's because the rapist created the opportunity. If it were a crime of opportunity, we'd expect to see a completely different distribution.

    There is a survival advantage to believing that any man could be a rapist. The fact is, you can't tell the difference, because they'll only admit to it if you ask them on an anonymous confidential form and don't use the word 'rape'. Barring that, they look pretty much like any other guy, unless you've already seen their violent side.

    But in the interest of accuracy, knowing what we're dealing with, knowing how to fight on a societal scale, we should make an effort to understand what's actually going on. And it appears that most men are actually not potential rapists. Most men are also apparently substantially less violent in other ways than we'd thought.

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    by kyril on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 01:57:37 PM PDT

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    •  Most men are not rapist. (15+ / 0-)

      It is not something that every red blooded "real" man secretly wants to do.

    •  Therein lies the problem (12+ / 0-)
      The fact is, you can't tell the difference,
      Yes, you can't tell by looking who is the rapist. In fact, some of the "nicest" men are the worst, because it's a front they put up to lure in their victims. They are wolves in sheep's clothing.

      That's why the rapists need to prosecuted and put away, because you can't tell by looking.

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      by splashy on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 02:45:21 PM PDT

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    •  Recommend a million times. (15+ / 0-)

      The idea that all men, especially young men, are potential rapists, if faced with temptation, is simply false. That is like saying that all adults are potential pedophiles easily overwhelmed by the vision of a naked child. We aren't. The "instinctive, primal rape" belief is not only false, it gives cover to sadistic predators who benefit from the attitude that raping people is an innate desire that all men share, and sadly, some just can't control. That is simply not true.

      Studies show that rapists choose their victims, and stick to particular patterns of stalking, entrapping and attacking their victims. This is no different in cases of so-called "date rape" (where the standard defense is "mixed messages" and "sudden temptation.") The "acquaintance rapist" is only different from 'stranger rapist' in that former gets off on deceiving and entrapping his victims, while the latter gets enjoys the terror he causes by a sudden, brutal assault.

      Those boys in Steubenville are not little toddlers who didn't understand that hitting sister with the toy car is very bad. They are, in fact, newbie rapists who had not perfected their crime. If they had not been caught they would have done it to another girl.


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      by Reepicheep on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 05:28:18 PM PDT

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      •  you're thinking of serial rapists (1+ / 0-)
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        many men have only raped once, often when in college or with a group of buddies.  I recall one story of a professor who volated a student, after a party when she'd passed out, and  he was also drunk, and she woke up unexpeedly and flipped, and it's possible that this was his first rape.  He thought he could get away with it.  

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        by anna shane on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:53:32 PM PDT

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        •  I dare say he wasn't thinking at all (0+ / 0-)

          Show me the whisky stains on the floor
          Show me an old drunkard as he stumbles to the door
          And I'll see a young man with so many reasons why...
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          by chmood on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 09:13:28 PM PDT

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        •  Huh? What is a professor doing (1+ / 0-)
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          "violating" a student at a party? Why was he at a drunken student party anyway?

          This was his first rape — for which he was caught!

          It's always the first time — until he is caught again.

          Most rapes are perpetrated by serial rapists and they all start with a "first time."

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          by samddobermann on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 10:22:53 PM PDT

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        •  It is possible that it was just the (2+ / 0-)
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          first rape he was punished for.

          He was a professor, and she was a student. He was conscious, she was passed out. He has all the power and she is helpless. Its the perfect set up. If she reports the crime afterwards, it is unlikely that anyone will believe her. Worse, she could be ostracized by her peers if she accuses super-cool party professor of raping her.  


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          by Reepicheep on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 05:51:43 AM PDT

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    •  I'd love to see a diary on this, just sayin. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      by Reepicheep on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 05:33:38 PM PDT

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    •  one out of twenty men (1+ / 0-)
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      is pretty fucking frequent. How many guys do you know? Which ones are the rapists?

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      by anonymous volanakis on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 06:30:53 PM PDT

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      •  you'd have to guess any of them (0+ / 1-)
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        if they thought they could get away scott free.  What stops them is fear.  there would be some who would never rape, and they'd always protect a woman. In normal men few will risk getting caught, that's why it's opportunistic.  

        "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

        by anna shane on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:55:56 PM PDT

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    •  actually (0+ / 0-)

      if you interview normal men, many will admit that they took advantage of some situation. If a woam is passed out, for example, or very drunk.  Violent rape is unusual, but so called date rape is common, it doens't have to be an actual date.  These are often unreported, and they're not serial rapists, they are opportunistic rapists. who kid themselves that is's consenual.   In war most men rape in groups, very few will not go along with it.  

      "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

      by anna shane on Mon Jun 17, 2013 at 08:50:26 PM PDT

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    •  Rapists often groom their victims (0+ / 0-)

      Try and get one alone. Or make sure they are at functions where potential victims might be vulnerable.

    •  There is a difference. (1+ / 0-)
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      I knew the victim, many years after the fact, of one of those single-act rapes. She'd been going with the guy for a long time; they were making out; he didn't stop.

      Now, that doesn't make it okay.

      But it is a long way from that to stalking women so that they have to fear walking out at night.

      We have 2nd degree murder, when you get in a fight with someone and don't stop.

      Maybe we should have 2nd-degree rape.

      (I would be very surprised if this were ever punished in the present USA.)

      •  Interesting idea. I see no way to implement (0+ / 0-)

        it, or even to define it strictly enough for a court to want to touch it, but there are some potentially relevant parallels.

        The biggest difference, of course, is that death is an easily demonstrable end result, no matter what the factors are that lead up to it. To argue degrees of culpability in rape would require a much better definition of an end condition for the process - a can of worms that gets deeper and more tangled the more you look at it.

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 04:29:47 PM PDT

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      •  To this idea, I say, "no." (0+ / 0-)

        "Jersey_Boy" was taken.

        by New Jersey Boy on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 06:18:07 PM PDT

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    •  Outstanding Comment /nt (1+ / 0-)
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      Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies have nothing to lose but their chains -Marx (-8.75,-8.36)

      by alain2112 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:58:42 PM PDT

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