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  •  Dems vs. Repubs in a nutshell (0+ / 0-)

    Do I need to point out that millions of people around the country are right now wondering how anyone could be so niave and silly to vote for Obama twice - he of the policies so ruininous?

    It may be that the people who voted for Obama did not want to look betrayal in the face - and boy are they getting a faceful right now of cuts to SS, protection for the bankers, more war, and domestic spying - many policies esactly like those approved by the hated Bush.

    But it may also be that these voters - the ones who voted for Bush twice, and the ones who voted for Obama twice - did so because the didn't see they had any alternative.

    Of course we have many more choice that just Tweedledee and Tweedledum.  But most people won't consider the alternatives.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 07:31:29 AM PDT

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    •  I feel strongly that there is (3+ / 0-)

      another, conscientious view possible of Obama's many caves and "sell-outs."

      Yes, they're disappointing; sitting here without a job, with few prospects, I'm bitterly disappointed. I took a walk this morning and I saw many people on the streets who have slept there, for years, and we just ignore them and walk on by. I grieve for them, too, and for the waste to society of their squandered potential.

      Why, then, did I vote for Obama, twice, since he clearly has skin in the neoliberal game that oppresses so many?

      The background for my answer is that we live in a representative, rather than a participatory democracy. Every politician has self-interest distinct from the interests of the electorate they serve. For this reason, every politician bears constant watching. There are things we can do to improve the picture. We can run good candidates, and we can work to get big money out of politics. But there's no such thing as a progressive politician so "good," they'll never let you down. Even the estimable Green Party recognizes that we live in the real world, where the "perfect" is often the enemy of the "good," or even the "better." They recommend issues and candidates they believe to be flawed.

      Where I break with the Green Party--and here comes one reason I'm an Obama partisan--is that I believe it takes more than "great progressive values" to make a great progressive politician. It takes also political skill. It takes the ability to connect with people, to win over potential sympathizers. It takes the knack of working with people very different from oneself, to get things done, to compromise. Say what you will about the values he puts into practice, I believe Obama has this. While he's disappointed me, I have also watched progressive victories, jaw-droppers, pile up on his watch. I have every hope of breathing hot and damp enough that Obama feels my breath on his neck, of swaying the man to do the will of the people when he sees there's no other way forward.

      I could go on here, but I think I've made my point.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:59:11 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, I didn't make my whole point :) (0+ / 0-)

        which I'm always making in this venue, and that is that nothing happens overnight. People may be dying. The system may be failing millions, unconscionably, as a few prosper. But the fact remains.

        Political progress generally isn't made overwhelmingly; it's made in fits and starts, here and there. The Republicans have always understood this. It's why they've done so well advancing their aims in federal and state legislatures these past few decades.

        Us, we are having to learn how to play for the long term. Instead, we've tended to go all to pieces when some outcome isn't 100% of what we wanted, on the very first go. (One particular comment up-thread may be a shining example of this, I fear.)

        We perfect the art of keeping our ideals high, but of acknowledging the 10% "victory" here, the 20% "win" there. It adds up.

        Of the presidential candidates on offer in 2008 and 2012, not one could decisively turn the tide of decades of Republican blight. But I've backed the one with political skill, and funding, as well as some of the right rhetoric, and susceptibility to the right kind of pressure.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 10:34:38 AM PDT

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