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  •  I was honestly surprised at the (1+ / 0-)
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    uproar here about it.

    I had thought that this had continued to happen under Bush's reign, and never considered that they ever stopped.  

    Trying to portray Obama as listening to our phone calls, is juvenile, but that's the hysteria we're inside of right now.

    If you look at what is actually being done (or, at least what we're now being told is being done), our reaction is silly.

    Imagine the waste of time it would be for the NSA to actually listen to (even random!) phone calls of American citizens.  It would be futile.

    What the seem to be using the data for, is only after having a suspect, seeing who they are talking to.  And you can do that ONLY if you mine everyone's data.

    I don't have a problem with it, as long as there is oversight.  That seems to be the question we should be asking at this point.

    "So I'm at the wailing wall, standing there like a moron, with my harpoon." - Emo Philips

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:10:21 AM PDT

    •  James Bamford helps us to understand the real (10+ / 0-)

      dangers of this program. To nip the hysteria in the bud, I suggest everyone read up on what he has to say about this.

      The NSA hasn't  prevented 9/11, the first attack on the World Trade Center , the shoe bomber, the USS Cole bombing or the Boston Massacre. What has it done?

      It has spent about $10 Billion of tax-payers money for a program that most people, including senators in Washington don't understand. That is the real outrage.
      If you can frame it as the money-sucking useless program it is , you can capture the interest of the American people.
      We aren't stupid. We are uninformed.

    •  "Just trust us." (9+ / 0-)

      There is no effective oversight.  A rubber-stamp secret court and a handful of congresscritters spoon-fed information they're not competent to analyze (and with no ability to involve staff and outside experts who might be competent to ask the right questions) isn't effective oversight.

      “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

      by jrooth on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:37:13 AM PDT

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