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  •  Note that this was over fare hikes (11+ / 0-)

    Essentially the leftist government raised costs for the poor and it went over not that well. Austerity ain't popular, and in Brazil there's efforts to stop it.  I daresay they'll make more headway with the PT than Occupy did with the Democrats.

    Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

    by Mindful Nature on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 07:18:05 AM PDT

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    •  Sometimes the exact cause is a symptom. . . (3+ / 0-)

      Every movement requires a spark. The first matches that light the fire may be about disparate, even unique reasons that are not as broad in scope as the overall disgruntlement.

      I agree with you noting that it is actually a form of austerity even though it wouldn't be seen that way by the media or even most people.

      But, the disgruntlement can lead to sparking much broader sentiments regarding the future of the non-elite corporate rich.

      We all know a movement is necessary to change anything, sparking it is often a matter of small sparks finding dry tinder - - this is a good sign.

      Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick: The "party of Jesus" wouldn't invite him to their convention - fearing his "platform."

      by 4CasandChlo on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 07:27:23 AM PDT

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      •  what you all seem to have missed (8+ / 0-)

        is that the Brazilian people have already been at this for over ten years since they elected the PT to power.  (Remember the guys who required fingerprints from visiting Americans in response to Bush's fingerprinting scheme?  Those guys)  The idea that this is some new fundamental shift as Ray puts forth really displays massive ignorance.  I'd encourage everyone to study recent Brazilian history if only to see a far more successful model for the left than the watered down nonsense we're pursuing here.

        Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

        by Mindful Nature on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 07:35:11 AM PDT

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        •  I admit to being uninformed (3+ / 0-)
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          I appreciate the background and I do not know much about the situation there.

          My statement was intended to be a little more broad in that perhaps, if this uprising becomes more publicized here, it could - could, cause a spark here. It is impossible to predict these things before hand.

          Thanks for your comment, it is always helpful to have more background.

          Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick: The "party of Jesus" wouldn't invite him to their convention - fearing his "platform."

          by 4CasandChlo on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:14:42 AM PDT

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          •  You may turn out to be right (3+ / 0-)
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            There is a good deal to be learned by what the Brazilian electorate have done, although they it is simply not as conservative a country as the US.  I would say that Brazil is probably the poster child for the anti austerity policies and the benefits of ignoring the neo liberal economists.  

            Part of what bothers me is that all this seems to get ignored in the US and the media and instead it is all a narrative about how Brazil is a backward unstable place because the context gets ignored

            Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion. An activist seeks to change opinion.

            by Mindful Nature on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:30:51 AM PDT

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        •  I live very near a large, public square in Recife (5+ / 0-)

          There are protest, strikes, gatherings, etc. going on all the time.  Every month, if not more frequently.  This current one is bigger than usual, and has the interesting feature of being nationally coordinated (somewhat spontaneously) through social media, but it is essentially a continuation of normal Brazilian political action.

          Article 196. Health care is a right of all persons and an obligation of the State, guaranteed through social and economic policies that provide...universal and equitable access to programs and services....

          by SLKRR on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 12:39:52 PM PDT

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      •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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        It just takes a spark.  

    •  And the protests are working... (2+ / 0-)
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      Here in Recife and neighboring João Pessoa, the government today announced bus fare reductions.  And in both of these cities, the protests so far have been fairly small and quite orderly, maybe 300-500 in Recife (in a central square about a block from my apartment, so I am estimating).

      Article 196. Health care is a right of all persons and an obligation of the State, guaranteed through social and economic policies that provide...universal and equitable access to programs and services....

      by SLKRR on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 12:36:36 PM PDT

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      •  so give us the inside scoop---what's the general (0+ / 0-)

        feeling in Brazil regarding the government and its attempts to (1) fight the IMF austerity programs and (2) help its own people.

        •  Well... (7+ / 0-)

          I don't feel that I adequately describe the feelings of 200 million people, but my impression is that generally the poorer working classes recognize that things are improving and changes are continuing.  The middle class seems more impatient and is more the driver of the current protests, so far.  There is a lot of student activism involved here and they have used social networking sites to push these protests and coordinate them.  I have actually been quite impressed with that.

          There is a strong undercurrent of racism and classism among the upper and upper-middle classes with regard to the government helping the poor.  It gets derided as "vote buying" and "assistencialism" -- even though it's pretty widely recognized that assisting the poor is one strong factor that kept Brazil from plunging very deeply into the 2008 recession.  

          I'm interested to see where the current protests lead - I don't see it being any kind of attempt to overthrow the government, beyond a general sentiment to kick out the corrupt ones (of which there are far too many).  I do hope that they will contribute to more than just reduced bus fares... if that is enough to placate the protestors, it will be a shame and a wasted opportunity.  

          Brazil is a country in transition, moving from a highly inequal agricultural society to one with a large middle class and growing industrial and technological base.  Right now, it's at that point where people can really begin to see that the changes necessary (in education, health care, infrastructure, etc.) are still enormous and that there exists a strong political and socio-economic element that wants to desperately preserve the status quo.  Protests and clashes are pretty much inevitable, I think, and overall they are probably necessary.

          This is not meant to be any kind of comprehensive statement, just some of my thoughts in response to your question.

          Article 196. Health care is a right of all persons and an obligation of the State, guaranteed through social and economic policies that provide...universal and equitable access to programs and services....

          by SLKRR on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 01:44:24 PM PDT

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    •  The Democrats have mastered the (1+ / 0-)
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      technique of pretending nothing's really going on.

      It's a powerful technique.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:26:16 PM PDT

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