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  •  I agree with Denise Oliver Velez (3+ / 0-)

    and I find your reasoning specious.

    You don't get 240,000 people across major cities to rise up in this type of protest based on your analysis.
    Brazil: population 196 million (2011)

    Wisconsin: population 5.7  million (2012)

    Proportionally speaking, 240,000 Brazilians is roughly the same fraction as 7,000 Wisconsinites.

    In Wisconsin during 2011, many protests occurred.

    From Wiki:

    The protests and demonstrations began following Walker's introduction of Assembly Bill 11[39][40] to the Wisconsin State Assembly on February 15, 2011. This bill became known as the "Budget Repair Bill" to proponents, and the "Collective Bargaining, or Union Busting Bill" to opponents.

    On February 15, tens of thousands of protesters demonstrated in and around the Capitol building in Madison[43][44] regarding the proposed legislation's limitations on collective bargaining for and against Walker's bill.[45] "Kill the Bill" remained one of the main slogans of the protesters.

    Huh.

    In one single day the proportional equivalent of 750,000 or more Brazilians marched in protest due to a governmental action.

    This isn't a revolution. This is what democracy looks like.

    •  I agree with her too, and when I find myself (2+ / 0-)
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      Quicklund, Denise Oliver Velez

      agreeing with Quicklund, it always worries me.

      ;)

    •  People can clearly see who's argument is (0+ / 0-)

      specious here.  Amazing you took the time to write that absurdity, with numbers and all.  Funny, actually.  Moving on...

      •  None as blind (2+ / 0-)
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        Denise Oliver Velez, emelyn

        as those who turn their nose up at math, the one pure science.

        But more to the point, the only thing you offered up in your specious rationale is basically, 240,000 is a lotta Brazillians so this must be a revolution.

        Well, Brazilian (faux) revolutions don't got nothing over Wisconsin protests. By which I mean, it is good to see our Brazilian brothers and sisters out protesting and urge the  gov't to continue growing the naiscent Brazilian democracy and to rein in further police abuses. Solidarity.

        •  Specious vs. fallacious... Let's see: (0+ / 0-)

          First, in any country, whether the population is 1 billion or 50 million, or 200 million, a sustained uprising/protest where upwards of 250,000 people take to the streets, it is considered something of great significance and of great concerned by the powers that be.

          So your absurd and illogical attempt at undermining the importance of this uprising in Brazil is not only specious, but fallacious.

          Number two, the underlying reason people are taking to the streets is because of the level of corruption and subjugation people are enduring at the hands of an increasingly disconnected moneyed ruling class.

          Number three, those same conditions are afflicting many other Western countries, including the U.S.

          You see, no matter how specious, fallacious, or intellectually dishonest your line of argument may be, you will never be able to negate these truisms I listed here.

          And anybody with half a brain can see that.  But again, I enjoy taking on people like you.

          •  See? You can't stay on topic. (1+ / 0-)
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            emelyn

            I said nothing to undermine the Brazilian protests. In fact I praised them for being a manifestation of a healthy democracy taking root in yet another nation. What you are calling a revolution I am calling part of the democratic process.

            Unless you are of the opinion "democracy" is in itself inherently slanderous, you have nothing to stand on making this charge.

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