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  •  Neither you nor Ray know what fascism is (0+ / 0-)

    Fascism isn't just "whatever I don't like" politically. It is a very specific ideology. It's a specific theory of politics and economics and a specific form of social, political and economic organization.

    If the US is fascist or moving toward fascism, which major political figures are arguing for the unity of state and "volk" ("folk")?

    Tell me which previously independent cultural organizations, unions, theaters or publishing houses have had to dissolve or formally taken over by the one permitted party and state?

    When was Dailykos forced to dissolve or be taken over?

    When was the Green Party forced to dissolve and when were its leaders imprisoned?

    If you can answer any of these questions, I'll entertain some of your or Ray's frankly looney ideas.

    Correcting bald misstatements with facts is not "being a dick."

    •  well now, you are not quite accurate (0+ / 0-)
      If the US is fascist or moving toward fascism, which major political figures are arguing for the unity of state and "volk" ("folk")?
      All the race-based "volk" crapola comes from Nazi-ism. It's not a part of fascism.  Mussolini's Italy was undoubtedly fascist (they invented both the word and the system), and Mussolini thought all of Hitler's racist yammerings were utter nonsense.

      Mussolini himself gave his definition of fascism: "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

      Undeniably, we are well down that road. And indeed, given the hysteria over brown people from one of our major parties, one could safely argue that we are indeed "defending the volk".  

      And we also have at least the beginnings of the trappings of fascism---we are already a militarized national-security surveillance state which uses military power to impose its will on other nations and police power to deal with internal dissent.

      Are we Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy?  Nope, not even close.  But we are certainly on that road. And just like Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy,  we have chosen that road freely and voluntarily, enthusiastically.  How far down that road will we actually go?  That remains to be seen.

      •  Except that the quote does not mean what you think (0+ / 0-)

        First of all, Mussolini probably never said that, and if he did, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

        There is no word for a business "corporation" in Italy or any of the Romance language countries. The equivalent of a business corporations is called a "società anonima" or in Spanish speaking countries "sociedad anonima."

        When Italian fascists talked about "corporate" bodies, they were not talking about business corporations; they were talking about the fascist ideal that members of various functional groups, like lawyers, farmers, workers, etc., form "bodies" or corporate groups, under the control of the state. These bodies would be bound together like a bundle of sticks or sheaths of wheat ("fasces").

        If Mussolini had said what you think he meant, he would have said, "a merger of state and the power of societas anonimas."

        So you're simply wrong about your understanding of fascism. Moreover, Mussolini and Italian fascism were racist, and did focus on the "Italian people" although Italy didn't have as large minorities as Germany, which was in central Europe.

        The US is nothing remotely like a fascist or proto fascist state, and no one outside maybe Aryan Nations and the KKK are arguing for anything like fascism.

        Since when have the Koch brothers or interests like them argued FOR unionization under government control?

        Which party is suggesting that lawyers form a single corporate body and place themselves at the service of the central federal government?

        Which fascists in the US want the government to take over the major TV networks?

        Most people have virtually no clue whatsoever what fascism means. It's just a word they throw around, like "poopy head."

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