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  •  Irony? Because people can get killed (4+ / 0-)

    on offshore rigs?  

    That's irony?  

    When people die, they can't be compensated through money.  That's "irreparable harm."  That's what justifies an injunction.  Because if someone is killed because these people are trying to force their way onto a vessel or rig in the middle of the ocean, money can't adequately compensate for that.    

    Offshore rigs are inherently dangerous environments.  People trying to force their way onto those rigs and and trying to physically disrupt what's going on makes that particular vessel or rig situation more dangerous, and make it more likely people on that vessel or rig will get hurt or die.  
     

    •  No Irony because their actions (3+ / 0-)
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      are irreparably damaging the world for generations to come and they make money off of it.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:04:11 PM PDT

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      •  Fine. And if you want them to stop, (2+ / 0-)
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        you don't use methods that put the lives and safety of people in danger.  

        •  Yes, and they've set it up (2+ / 0-)
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          so that there's no effective way to stop it that doesn't include direct action against their construction.

          Convenient, isn't it.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:17:36 PM PDT

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          •  How does direct action... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...against their construction stop it?  

            Seems like with the money they stand to make, they can afford to fix anything you can break.

            •  That's why you keep doing it (3+ / 0-)
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              We have managed to stop the clear cutting of old growth redwoods here in California for more than a decade using these methods. It's not breaking things that they're trying to stop, it's getting in the way. At least with Keystone XL.

              If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

              by AoT on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:36:08 PM PDT

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            •  Especially because there are so many willing to (0+ / 0-)

              Let it be so, if not actively helping it be so. So very many who otherwise claim to be on the good side, protecting the vulnerable, and not just people.

              But they aren't.

              Add the median effective tax rate, healthcare costs (20%?), education costs, and other things guaranteed in Denmark & Sweden, we pay MORE for LESS. Somebody's gotta pay the billionaires. They don't grow on trees. ☮ ♥ ☺

              by Words In Action on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 04:14:39 PM PDT

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      •  Why don't you do something (0+ / 0-)

        besides repeating your claims ad infinitem? How about getting with an attorney and try to get an injunction against the oil companies including the tar sands folks on the grounds of the irreparable harm to the planet?

        Or run for office. I would suggest start small.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 05:38:00 PM PDT

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