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  •  Cuz we gotta BLOW STUFF UP REAL GOOD!! (2+ / 0-)
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    Action films are locked into an endless spiral of having to 'top' previous action movies, with bigger 'splosions and more destruction. I think it's tied into the 'dumbing down' of civilization, with the target audience (either 12 year olds physically or mentally) needing to have their adrenalin goosed constantly.

    When films originated, for the most part they chose their 'source' material from great literature, then as they progressed and the public grew less sophisticated, the source became more 'modern' literature, then 'pulp', then 'magazine', then 'comics' - to eventually based on lines of toys and games, which is where we are today.

    Oh, and there IS and forever will be only ONE 'Zod'; Terance Stamp!! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!


    It has to start somewhere. It has to start sometime. What better place than here, what better time than now? - Guerilla Radio, Rage Against The Machine.

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 08:16:47 AM PDT

    •  I forgot to mention;this is how comics are now too (3+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN, cynndara

      I've been a comic fan my whole life, and for years subscribed to as many as 15 titles at a time (DC recently, haven't liked the Marvel stories since the '60s) - but over the past few years the stories have been getting more violent, especially with DC's 'reboot' of their universe with the 'New 52', which is just awful. It's just incredibly bleak, vicious, with no 'good', only the anti-hero types, and every comic issue involves mass destruction and the deaths of dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of innocents. The 'underground' comic world took over the mainstream, and it carries over into the films. You can see the difference in the philosophies of what superheroes used to be just by looking at Superman's costume; in the Reeves films, it was bright, clear red and blue. In 'Man of Steel' it's much darker, with muddied, muddled colors - to reflect the uncertain morals of the modern superhero.

      It has to start somewhere. It has to start sometime. What better place than here, what better time than now? - Guerilla Radio, Rage Against The Machine.

      by Fordmandalay on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 09:01:16 AM PDT

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      •  I suspect (1+ / 0-)
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        the desaturated palette was more about not looking like the Marvel universe. The Avengers was all about primary and signature colors Iron Man is red and gold, Hulk is green, Cap is red, white and blue (and so is Thor), Loki is green and gold, Hawkeye and Black Widow dress in matching blacks, and so on.

        Supes' new costume reflects a modern sensibility in cinema: desaturate and texturize. Like the Lord of the RIngs movies: As each one came out it was less colorful than the last. If they had made a fourth in the series, I believe it would have been in black and white.

        I like the fact that Superman no longer wears his underpants on the outside. And they kind of made the point that his uniform is a sort of Kryptonian chain mail armor. I'm OK with all that.

        I don't read comics anymore, but I suspect your analysis is spot on. More's the pity.

        •  Which goes back (0+ / 0-)

          to something I've noticed increasing geometrically in film and video since my childhood: the people who do film live in a video world.  They admire, consume, imitate and recreate other films.  IF IT ISN'T ON FILM, FORGET IT.  It's not on their radar.  They don't read, they don't write, and their scripts have to be re-written as comic books for production (the infamous "storybook").  Hollywood is basically composed of illiterates who learn everything they know from film and TV.  Therefore their fashionable aesthetics mutate and comment upon the latest fashion in film, but take no notice of either the real world or any intellectual or historical information that would have to enter their consciousness by a medium other than video.  They live inside an Idiot Box Bubble.

      •  creeping cynicism (1+ / 0-)
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        In this respect, the comics are simply following in a shift in the culture as a whole: towards cynicism but also towards realism.  The time when audiences could uncritically accept a superpowered being acting beyond all restraint except a self-imposed moral code is long past.  We've learned that someone in that position is likely to be far more worthy of fear than of love: real "supers" would probably be like Khan Noonien Singh, and even the good ones would be constantly tempted to go Justice Lord on the world whenever law or morality interferes with their effectiveness.

        And while the heroes themselves get more complex and fragile, you also see the rise of people and institutions charged with controlling supers if possible, destroying them if necessary, but also acting in defense of Earth when (not if) the supers are unavailable or refuse to act because their moral code conflicts with what humanity sees as in its own interest.  Not just fear but also a real lack of faith in the kind of champion that the supers represent and an interest in cultivating a mundane alternative.

    •  I kind of agree about Zod (1+ / 0-)
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      In Superman II he was just a megalomaniac. And Stamp was very entertaining. In this film he's just another jar head, indistinguishable from hundreds of other "I'm a sojer" types who say "Arrrrggh!" alot and would rather fight than think. Sort of like the marine commander in Avatar (yet another copy in a film full of copies).

      And his motivations are suspect at best. If he REALLY was determined to revive the race of Krypton, why not come to Earth and demand the Genesis Chamber, which Superman would willing have given him, and ASK politely to make a copy of the genomes in Superman's blood, which, again, Superman would eagerly have agreed to. Then go off back to one of the old colonies -- which we have been told, failed because they lost support from Krypton, not because of anything inimical to Krypotonian life -- and start anew without having to kill everyone on Earth?

      Again, this film is full of holes and non-sequiturs, not to mention rehashed everything.

      •  funny I thought Zod (0+ / 0-)

        was commentary on the current US Security State.  Bred to protect with no understanding of what they were really protecting, a destroy the village to save it type if I ever saw one.  Duty without understanding, blind allegiance to something that doesn't really exist.

      •  Zod would never have asked politely (0+ / 0-)

        Remember, Kal-El's very existence was a heresy to Zod.  Kal-El was the first natural-born Kryptonian in centuries, and was a direct confrontation with Kryptonian social engineering practices.  If Kal-El survives and thrives, it directly undermines the very foundations of Kryptonian society, and Zod's role as the protector of that society.  Zod hated Kal-El, because Kal-El represented the ultimate betrayal of Krypton by Jor-El, one of Zod's former best friends, a betrayal stacked on top of the betrayal by the Kryptonian Council in allowing Krypton's destruction.

        From such crooked wood as that which man is made of, nothing straight can be fashioned. -Immanuel Kant

        by Nellebracht on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 03:24:35 PM PDT

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