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  •  OD #1 cause of death in my state (2+ / 0-)

    For 45 and under.

    I think in several states OD of pain meds are eclipsing gun deaths.

    In my state pain meds are  way more of a public health and crime problem than guns.

    But I do still agree that many are penny wise and pound foolish when they plan against bad things happening.

    •  This whole thing started for me on 12-14-12. (5+ / 0-)

      I don't think anyone will ever kill an entire kindergarten class in less than 5 minutes with opiates.

      Since 12-14-12 I have learned that sloppy gun handling and sloppy gun storage kill at least that many kids every month.

      These are my statistics.

      The point the diarist was making is the the gun parTEA say they want guns to prolong their life from imaginary threats and ignore other actual threats. The point of gun control is to stop sloppy guns in this pointless free-for-all.

      give the NRA the Royal Flush join Stop The NRA

      by 88kathy on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 12:43:34 PM PDT

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      •  And parents of children who OD face a lot more (5+ / 0-)

        scrutiny and public sanction than do parents whose children shoot someone with the parents' gun.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:25:01 PM PDT

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        •  Gun owners with loose guns are tolerated. (5+ / 0-)

          Coffee table is an oopsie that becomes a tragic accident.

          I think the people whose guns kill people are headed for a less tolerant populace.

          I would hope they at least lose the right to possess a gun for the duration.

          give the NRA the Royal Flush join Stop The NRA

          by 88kathy on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 02:53:53 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah, it took a long time (4+ / 0-)
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            coquiero, 88kathy, oldpotsmuggler, a2nite

            but once upon a time people smoked all day long in their office and there wasn't a damn thing the person who also had a desk in the same small room could say or do about it.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 05:59:04 PM PDT

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            •  Gun owners do get as cranky as smokers don't (4+ / 0-)

              they. I never thought about it before. I think you may have something there.

              give the NRA the Royal Flush join Stop The NRA

              by 88kathy on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 06:30:20 PM PDT

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              •  Some do (2+ / 0-)
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                I have a few friends who own guns, and I'm sure some have concealed carry permits. But they never have their guns where people can see them, not even at home. We seldom even talk about guns, but when we do, they are ALL in favor of increased regulation to reduce the menace.

                All of them share our concerns for their own children, and don't want to be a position to have to question if someone in the neighborhood has their firearms locked up before deciding whether to let their kids go play there, or sleep over. Don't want to have to wonder whether their teachers or the janitors are bringing guns to school under  the mistake belief that their 2A rights trump local law and school policy.

                We are among those who think that the way to protect, and even strengthen 2A RKBA, we must begin to grapple with and reduce negligence. And we must separate alcohol and lawful firearm use.

                Alcohol is a factor in the majority of crimes, and I'll be it's a factor in the majority of shootings of people. E.g. sloppy gun owner drinks and leaves gun out on the coffee table when they go to take a nap. Sloppy gun owner is in the backyard drinking with family and friends, hosting a barbecue, completely forgetting they left their loaded handgun in the nightstand. Kids running around outside. No one notices when 3 boys slip away to go inside to use the bathroom, and sneak upstairs into Mom and Dad's room.

                The number of completed shootings do not reflect the level of negligence when a gun owner is exposing his whole household to the risk, day in day out, year after year.

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Tue Jun 18, 2013 at 07:12:47 PM PDT

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