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  •  You have a highly simplistic view here (1+ / 0-)
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    that reeks of anti-Muslim bias and ignores the long-term consequences of colonialism and Cold War international relations in which it was and, to a certain extent, still is, convenient for the US and Russia (and now the US) to prop up "strongmen" who used their power to suppress dissent in the guise of stability.  This is not to deny the conservative elements of certain Muslim strains, just like there are conservative elements of certain Christian or Jewish strains, but to blame it on being "Muslim," the way you are here, is simply incorrect, never mind highly offensive.

    •  I understand all that but now, to move forward (0+ / 0-)

      they can't. Islamic religious governments will not allow women to be fully part of society and the people are held down by religion, it is a fact and I don't care for any religion, so it is not that I bash muslims, I bash all religious who try to govern

      •  You need to be really careful in your language. (1+ / 0-)
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        There are many strains of Islam and there are many political persuasions as well.  Conservative theocracies are simply one strain.  So no, it is not a "fact," to quote you, that "the people are held down by religion."  People are held down by particular interpretations of a religion, or by particular beliefs within a strain of a religion--in this case, Islam.  To act, as you are here, as if those particularities represent the religion as a whole or religious leaders as a whole is way off-base. In fact, many of the protesters in the Arab Spring are themselves Muslim.

        And frankly, I don't care about your attitudes toward religion.  I'm not particularly religious myself.  But there are many people who are, some of whom are conservative, some of whom are moderate and some of whom are progressive.  So don't lump them all together.  And, given the anti-Muslim bias in this country right now, I would argue that it's especially important not to do that for Muslims.

        •  Islam as practiced in the world is not good (0+ / 0-)

          for women and if you can refute that good on you

          and when women are not part of society you can bet the country is not successful and violent and that is not just religion but culture but if women are not visible the country is not a great place to live

          where religion is part of government, women have trouble, see Ireland as well...

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