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  •  Nothing's perfect. (2+ / 0-)
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    on the cusp, skohayes

    We're lucky to get what we got.

    Some of us bad attitudes knew this but I didn't feel that harping on it would do anything but make me look kookier than normal

    Now we know.

    Snowden did a good thing, no matter what else he may have screwed up.

    If he has a book and movie contract in his pocket already I'd be suspicious, but the info about spying is priceless no matter what else he may have screwed up.

    Now... getting it stopped is another thing and I don't hold m breath on that. That would be right and our brilliant leaders are CLEARLY not interested in anything other than expanding it as far as technologically possible.

    Plenty of americans have been sufficently cowed by this government and believe this spying is somehow keeping them safe.

    2 words about that: Boston Marathon.

    Total fail if this spying crap is to keep us safe.

    •  Comey (who resisted it) appointed at FBI (4+ / 0-)
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      xxdr zombiexx, on the cusp, skohayes, Sylv

      more information
      more transparency
      more defense and public acknowledgment of what's happening
      pressure to reveal more of same

      just some immediate fallout.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 05:15:27 AM PDT

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      •  The word "transparency"... (0+ / 0-)

        Either the government does bad things in secret, like spying, or they do bad things in front of God and everybody, ie: The Sequester.

        I am thrilled with the fallout but I would caution people about any internal itch to commend the FBI for anything. They aren't really interested in transparency and are among the law enforcement agencies that like as many ways aroung the 4th as they can get.

        It has defined the FBI historically, let us all remember the Church Committee and how their recommendations were trashed by the PATRIOT Act and other 'fallout" from 9/11 and the Cheney Administration's masterful exploitation of it.

        It is wrong for Americans to be comfy with this.

        •  not a comment on the FBI (3+ / 0-)
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          xxdr zombiexx, skohayes, Sylv

          it's a comment on Obama visibly picking Comey because he supposedly argued with Ashcroft et al. over TIA.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 05:33:01 AM PDT

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          •  Oooh..... I know who you're talking about now (1+ / 0-)
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            That incident goes way back into the heart of  the Bush Darkness.

            The name just didn't click until you said that.

          •  So many nefarious incidents from that era (2+ / 0-)
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            Sylv, TerryDarc

            Obama praises FBI director nominee Comey for integrity

            In 2004, White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and White House chief of staff Andy Card tried to persuade Attorney General John Ashcroft, who was ill with acute pancreatitis, to reauthorize a warrantless eavesdropping program while in his hospital bed. Comey, who was Ashcroft's top deputy and acting attorney general at the time, learned of Gonzales and Card's plan and rushed to Ashcroft's hospital room, along with Mueller.

            Both threatened to resign if the White House renewed the program. As a result, it was not reauthorized.

            "He was prepared to give up the job he loved, rather that be a part of something that he felt was fundamentally wrong," Obama said.

            Now they preside over it?
    •  In that case (0+ / 0-)

      If you're saying the Boston Marathon bombing proves that spying doesn't work, then that would suggest you're ready to live with incidents like the Boston Marathon bombing. How comfortable for you as you are not a victim or know someone who is.

      I don't see any solutions coming from anyone here. Lots of self-righteous bib-dribbling (in general, not directed at the poster) and Internet forum demands, but nothing that could possibly border on "here's a better mousetrap." This helps explain why Snowden continues to get feted. Unfortunately, there is no central address for "Bad Guys," which means that if you have no solution to deal with spying (and that includes the fiction of "limited" spying), then there's no problem. This is one of those feast or famine issues, and I see no one stepping up to the plate.

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