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  •  Yeppers - (1+ / 0-)
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    I find most of those pre-Snowden/Greenwald sources to be much more informative, interesting, and compelling than what has been disclosed this month (even if they aren't as sexy as the hero/traitor baggage in the Snowden/Greenwald disclosures).

    Here's an interesting one from 2005 discussing Section 215 that, significantly, involves some commentary by James Comey.

    This is one area where DKos has failed me - in spite of your efforts to help people drop the rox/sux hyperventilating over personalities (and thx for that, btw).

    So much of this chatter reminds me of an experience I had at the very beginning of the "first" Gulf War. I was downtown after work in a packed bar that had a lot of teevees tuned to "live" coverage of what was mostly tracers. A 60ish burned-out attorney had hold of the remote for the biggest teevee and would raise and lower the volume - apropos of absolutely nothing. As the volume increased, the crowd would grow silent and stare at the teevees showing - tracers. As the volume decreased, folks would start chattering and speculating and shrieking about "WAR" or "PEACE" or "DIRTY FUCKING HIPPIES," etc.

    Scary stuff.

    Out with the gloomage - in with the plumage!

    by mikidee on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 07:42:46 AM PDT

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    •  Scary, indeed (2+ / 0-)
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      I honestly don't know what to think of Snowden yet. I agree that the discussions of the topic on DKos have not helped me make an intelligent choice.

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

      by TerryDarc on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 08:29:24 AM PDT

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      •  well, some discussions like this one (1+ / 0-)
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        might be better than others. Just read the list from Wired to WaPo and you'll be better educated. Not about Snowden, maybe, but about the issue.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:09:00 AM PDT

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        •  Actually, I spoke a bit too soon... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...Delphine's "Not Sure" comment is less chest thumping, anti-spying rhetoric and presents better alternatives to DK meme running currently IMO.

          Did see Rachel M give a laundry list of the things we've learned from Snowden and THAT was illuminating and made it sound like he'd done something worthwhile.

          What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

          by TerryDarc on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:33:31 AM PDT

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      •  but as for what to think of Snowden (1+ / 0-)
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        the Cohen article I linked in the main post made me think.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:17:39 AM PDT

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