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  •  "publisher of a newspaper or magazine" (4+ / 0-)
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    Urizen, FloridaSNMOM, FG, northsylvania

    What publisher of a newspaper or magazine lets anybody write stories that get published sans review or editing beforehand ?

    What publisher of a newspaper or magazine lets the readers endlessly comment in print on the stories published ?

    Here there are 1000 + comments on some diaries ,
    when does that ever happen with a newspaper or magazine ?

    The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

    by indycam on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 10:19:18 AM PDT

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    •  The concept is the same (4+ / 0-)

      Kos sells the public to the advertisers, not donuts.  He makes his living on the number of looks he gets, however he generates looks, not on the numbers of donuts he sells.  

      Your analogy doesn't hold.  Still doesn't hold.

      But if your point is that this new technology is different from the print papers, then I agree, it is different.  But read the data from the major print papers that are moving online, they are doing so because this is the new way to sell the public to the advertisers - this is why "comment" sections are part and parcel of the online publishing.  

      And btw (emphasis in bold added):

      Markos Moulitsas Zúniga is founder and publisher of Daily Kos, the largest progressive community blog in the United States.
      Daily Kos "About" Masthead

      Markos himself calls himself Publisher of the Daily Kos.  

      There is no shame in being a publisher.  It's a fact.  I don't understand why you take such umbrage.  He doesn't.  It's part of his brand.

      "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

      by Uncle Moji on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 10:29:35 AM PDT

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      •  The coffee shop sells me coffee from beans (0+ / 0-)

        they didn't grow , pastry they didn't make , access to the internet that they didn't build , access to newspapers they didn't write .

        Markos himself calls himself Publisher of the Daily Kos.
        I never said he wasn't .
        There is no shame in being a publisher.
        I never said there was .
        I don't understand why you take such umbrage.
        I don't take "umbrage" , that's something you made up . If this was a newspaper or magazine , your editor might have noticed what you did and asked you to cut it the F out before publication , but since this is more like a coffee shop where you get to say what you feel like saying until you are such a major ass that the publisher / proprietor 86s you out ...

        Straw men are not your friend .

        online publishing
        oops , you just said something .

        On line publishing as Kos is doing is like running a coffee shop . Even if you say it isn't . You don't get to demand your ideas are the correct ideas . So stop with the

        Your analogy doesn't hold.  Still doesn't hold.

        Your idea falls apart when tested ,
        people can post stories / diaries sans oversight before publication .
        What newspaper or magazine does that ?

        What newspaper or magazine doesn't control who gets published ?

        Tell me that you can write a story and hit publish and have it show up in print on a newspaper or magazine without the approval of the editor / publisher of the newspaper or magazine ?

        Would you using "Uncle Moji" as a name at a newspaper or magazine ?

        The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. David Morrison

        by indycam on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 11:11:21 AM PDT

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        •  I have actually run a coffee shop and an online (2+ / 0-)
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          publication, as well as a number of other businesses including a bookstore.  They are all fun.  And. They are different.  Their business plans are different, their marketing strategies are different, how they generate income is different.

          You can believe they are the same, but that simply proves you don't know the difference.  

          Even if you say it isn't . You don't get to demand your ideas are the correct ideas .
          Uh, that was a weird comment, I wasn't "demanding" my ideas were correct, that sentence doesn't even make sense.  I was making a point, and you are free to disagree, even if you don't make sense and "demand" that you do.  It's how it works.

          And if you believe there is no oversight or editorial "control" over content, ask anyone who has been banned and had their content made "unavailable" for anyone else to read.

          And to answer your question, do newspaper or magazine writers use pseudonyms?  Not at the New Yorker or the Globe or the LATimes, but certainly at rags like the National Enquirer or the Daily Mail or the New York Post or the Chicago Sun Times (sorry, inside joke slam at the Chicago Sun Times.).  If I wrote for one of the later, I would most DEFINITELY use a pseudonym, maybe... Aunt Moji or Senior Moji or Le Mojito...  My good friend who is now, in his dotage, a nationally known well-respected editor was, as a young man, a writer for the Enquirer but never under his real name.  He made a good living for a short burst of time and huge cash.

          Again, not sure why you have your knickers in a twist over the definition of this place as one that sells us as "looks" to advertisers as the primary way this place generates income and sales, but that's how this business works.  And part of the business strategy is to have "appeal" to generate repeat contact with the site such as you and I are doing here.  

          It's not a bad thing.  It just is what it is.

          Have a fantastic day!

          "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

          by Uncle Moji on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 12:09:35 PM PDT

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    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)
      What publisher of a newspaper or magazine lets the readers endlessly comment in print on the stories published ?
      That would be the Guardian, and quite a few other newspapers as well :-) The Guardian even gives external validation for well written comments, which is kind of like making the rec list here.
      That being said, forums such as Kos provide a place where published writers, wannbe writers, and just plain folks can thrash out ideas, something that is valuable in off-election years.

      You..ought to be out raising hell. This is the fighting age. Put on your fighting clothes. -Mother Jones

      by northsylvania on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 02:59:18 PM PDT

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