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  •  Speaking of cheeseheads and the capitol: (8+ / 0-)

    I am from the NW so I only know the stereotype, but stereotypes are often assigned because there is a nugget of truth. Wisconsin is known for being extremely friendly, polite, union supporting and ethnically diverse state.

    It would seem to me that this gerrymandered government could not possibly be going over well with the general populace. I would think that even those that voted republican would be turned off by the aggressive antics of the legislature and the governor. (BTW - how about that Senate Pres fitting a certain stereotype, huh?)

    Please tell me that there is a big push back coming from the citizens that expect better "debate" in their capitol than this? Is it true?

    Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick: The "party of Jesus" wouldn't invite him to their convention - fearing his "platform."

    by 4CasandChlo on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 05:38:24 PM PDT

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    •  Sadly, no. (16+ / 0-)

      The majority don't like it when they hear about it, but it's barely reported here. A lot of people have stopped paying attention because there is simply no reasoning with the Republicans. They are on a mission from ALEC and not even God can stop them.

      "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

      by Giles Goat Boy on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 05:46:26 PM PDT

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    •  I wish I had some insight here (11+ / 0-)

      I am also puzzled by the lack of pushback. We are deeply polarized but I also think that, as Giles said, the true depth of malfeasance doesn't get communicated and many have tuned out.

      My work takes me to every corner of Wisconsin, and apart from discussions of politics, people are nice as a rule. But politics is an open sore - so we are careful not go there unless we have to.

      I hope other Wisconsinites will weigh in because I'm curious myself.

      •  Milwaukee (12+ / 0-)

        I live in Milwaukee, work at MPS, and am married to an African-American- everyone I talk to is extremely upset and would never think of voting for Walker-unfortunately I believe I am in a bubble but I do occasionally hear the obnoxiuous WGOP 620 and all callers are usually from the red ring outside of the city and they seem to uniformly love Walker and they will vote in 2014- If Republicans restrict early voting I am hoping that the city of Milwaukee will then open up satellite voting offices in all parts of the city but especially North and Northwest sides to get voter turnout to rival 2012 recall election where turn-out was very good.  I really don't think the candidate against Walker matters in my circle- we would vote for anyone who is running.  Would be curious as to general feelings around La Crosse, Eau Claire, and Appleton area.

      •  I see two dynamics: people either know nothing (7+ / 0-)

        about the most egregious and disgusting THUGGERY of the ALEC-pimped ReTHUGlicans due to in-the-tank corporate media or informed people have simply steeled themselves to wait for the chance to try to vote out the bastards. I do not see resigned...I sense simmering anger....waiting to boil.  

        After all, Wisconsinites are sensible...based on what we have seen in the last 2.5 years, it's obvious that NOTHING will keep them from doing what they plan to do...they are intent on RULING not governing.  They have no sense of shame since their ends justify their means...they certainly have no sense of "fair play" that can be appealed to.

        The opposition needs to be planting "seeds" with the uninformed who think they are informed...I am sad to say that I do not see an organized effort to do that.  I applaud the individual efforts of many who post here, but my concern about a state-wide effort grows as each month passes.  

        Robber Baron "ReTHUGisms": John D. Rockefeller -"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets"; Jay Gould -"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

        by ranton on Sat Jun 22, 2013 at 09:35:48 PM PDT

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    •  "could not possibly" - the overarching problem (5+ / 0-)

      Try to imagine this happening in the bluest parts of the NW. This is Madison, WI. The bluest city in WI.

      Try to understand that the people where you live are exactly the same people who live in WI. There is no stereotypical Wisconsinite nor is there a stereotypical Pacific NW citizen.

      That state Senate President actually said that he was "really a nice guy" immediately after his tirade. This might seem like a gift, but we've learned that exploiting his tirade is certain to fire up the right wing base and make the left look more like whiners. This is how they wingers bought the recall election. Ten times the funding and playing the victim of those whiny lefties. Really.

      So much of the strategy seems to be to just STFU and let them hang themselves. Yes, it's totally counter-intuitive, but after 3 years of this shit, it actually makes sense.

      And we are actually seeing pushback in some of the reddest parts of the state. Newspaper editorials are slowly moving slightly away from the fascist agenda. Even the farthest right wing newspaper of all has written a few less-than-glowing words about the right wing.

      Yes, there was once a huge pushback against the sudden sharp right turn that these thugs made the very day after they won the election in 2010. Their promises vanished that day. They probably had no clue that they'd get the huge protests back then.

      So they fixed that embarrassment. Now Giles gets busted for walking all the way around the center rotunda in what used to be called "The People's House". Others have been arrested for being silent. Really.

      Don't even think that this can't happen to you in your bright blue safe place. It's all about ALEC boilerplate bills. It's Stand Your Ground. It's public funding for private and parochial schools. It's privatization of everything. It's bribery, graft, thuggery, astonishing power grabs and blatant disregard for the US Constitution and laws that get in their way. The WI supreme court is also corrupt. Something about magically finding about 2,000 votes two days after an election. Exactly enough votes to avoid a mandatory recount. But now there are no mandatory recounts. They fixed that little problem, too.

      In less than one term, WI went from 17th to 49th in job creation. WI used to compete with MA for the first or second best in education. That ended in a prior right wing regime.

      Then there's the enemies list. I bet you can't possibly imagine that signing a recall petition would result in harassment and a greater chance of getting fired from your job. This shit was inconceivable just 3 years ago.

      It's a whole lot worse than this. It's at the point where people insist that this "could not possibly" be that bad. I've even pointed directly to the text of the bills and statutes. Yet people want to deny that this "could not possibly" be the whole story. It's happening.

      This is how the Big Lie works. This is how divide-and-conquer works.

      I weep for my home state.

      "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

      by GrumpyOldGeek on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 05:20:01 PM PDT

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