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  •  Note that I was responding to a comment that (0+ / 0-)

    labeled him "left of center."  You changed it Democrat in Name Only.  Nice try,

    He's right of center.   Most of the Democratic elected officials operate in that zone since the Turd Way took over back when it was called the DLC.  In effect, the Democratic leadership is now the policy equivalent of the Rockefeller Republicans (if that relic of governance had survived to this day, which it certainly hasn't).  I take that back: they are to the right of the Brahmin GOP of the 60s.  

    Universal health care?  Yes, he passed the GOP bill that was offered back in the early '90s, your attempt to preempt the point notwithstanding.  Point made, thanks. The fact that the GOP, since the advent of the Turd Way, has ratcheted to the right so far that it is now effectively an organ of the John Birch Society only proves the further point that when "Liberalism" slides to the right as Clinton (and Carter before him, and Obama after him) guided the Party, the GOP will gladly accommodate the shift.  Point made, thanks.

    Wall Street reform?  Where's the New Deal Glass-Steagall reinstatement that is necessary to change banks back to what they used to be under the New Deal regime as opposed the to casinos for rich people that they currently operate as?  Where are the prosecutions of the multi-layered frauds that brought the economy down?  Why has the wealth gap actually increased in the last 5 years if Obama is such a financial progressive?

    Climate change?  We're extracting, fracking, deep-drilling, strip mining more fossil fuels today than we ever have.  And we rank 16th out of the 20 largest economies in efficiency of our fuel usage, behind China for crissake (but ahead of Russia, yippee).  And we've had more extractive catastrophes than we've ever had as well (Massey, Macondo, etc).  The Gulf is an ecological nightmare and the shale zones will soon become a national-scale Love Canal.

    Best enviro president ever?  Who created the EPA and who has allowed it to languish after the thrashing it took under Buscheney?  Answer: Nixon and Obama. Yes, the CAFE standard increase was great.  And about 20 years overdue.  But that's like a designated hitter bragging about a home run he hit during a 10-2 loss the night before.  We should be leading the world toward sustainability, not accelerating the other directions with an idiotic "all fuels all the time" approach that gives the green light to not just the 400ppm we've breached under Obama, but also to the insane pollution that the fracking industry is foisting on us in their frenzy to get more carbon into the atmosphere.

    Education?  Ask a teacher.  Ask teacherken, in fact.  My only response is two words: Arne Duncan.  Actually, that's not my only response, my other one is that my son, who is in his 3rd year of college next year, is looking at a killer increase in his college loan rate.  Thanks Barack!

    In notice you don't even touch his National Security State credentials.  Good thinking.

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

    by nailbender on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 09:27:37 AM PDT

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    •  Tell me which Republican would have passed the ACA (0+ / 0-)

      That's all....

      I've said this above, you all claim that this is a Republican bill then tell me which Republican would have passed such a plan, which restricts insurance companies to spend 80% of their revenues on their patient’s health care, or stopped companies from denying healthcare due to a pre-existing condition.

      If I say something is a Republican plan I would be able to list tens of Republicans who would have passed that plan, but you are unable to tell me one Republican...even ONE! Who would have passed this plan with the provisions I listed.... You cannot tell me...or you would have....

      •  Bob Dole. (0+ / 0-)

        Back when there were still Dems worthy of the name.

        See his recent dissing of the current gop, if you want to get a perspective of how the entire political spectrum has shifted to the right since the Centrists have taken  over the party.

        the point, which you're avoiding, is that the current GOP is an animal made possible by the drastic shift to the right that the DLC/Turd Way movement (hey, that has a little cache', no?) has enabled.  It's not like wasn't explicit aready on this point.

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:57:50 AM PDT

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        •  (smiling) you've gone back in time for Bob Dole, (0+ / 0-)

          but he does not agree with this "Republican" plan, as it is called. He is only in favor of the bill because of the bill's importance and once in a lifetime nature. Here is a quote from Dole:

          This is one of the most important measures members of Congress will vote on in their lifetimes, If we don’t do it this year I don’t know when we’re gonna do it.
          http://www.therightperspective.org/...

          There was a time when Republicans would pass legislation, not because such legislation was a Republican legislation, but because they believed that, even though they may disagree with the bill, it was worth passing because of its historic nature.

          There were Republicans who helped to pass Medicare and Medicaid, it doesn't mean they were in favor of these legislations as Republicans, but they felt it historic and important, and perhaps urgent.

          Bob Dole is expressing this sentiment here:

          I don’t agree with everything Obama is presenting, but we’ve got to do something, I want this to pass.
          But I'll give you much credit for going back in the past and finding at least one Republican who would have been bipartisan enough to pass a historic bill.

          Actually, even up until Clinton, Republicans have been willing to cross the aisle for a historic bill such as the Affordable Care Act, but once Obama became President, bye-bye crossing the aisle on anything.

          But back to our discussion, unfortunately, Dole goes against your point that the bill is a "Republican Bill". His argument is primarily one of passing the bill out of historic reasons.

          •  He championed it in opposition to Hillarycare. (0+ / 0-)

            Obamacare resembles the GOP counter to the Clintons back in '93 almost as much as Romneycare (which was modeled after it) does.

            I'll cut and paste my own quote now:

            the point, which you're avoiding, is that the current GOP is an animal made possible by the drastic shift to the right that the DLC/Turd Way movement (hey, that has a little cache', no?) has enabled.  It's not like (I) wasn't explicit aready on this point.
            I'll continue the discussion further if you address that, my main point.

            "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

            by nailbender on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 05:36:35 PM PDT

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            •  I'll disagree with that point on this basis. The (0+ / 0-)

              current GOP drastically shifted to the Right just when President Obama took office. The amount of fillibusters we have seen under this President has never been seen to such a degree during any other Democratic administration.

              We have to remember that this is a Party that had its members meet on the day the President was being sworn in to plot to do anything to obstruct him, before the President passed one single bill. So I would say your point here:

              the current GOP is an animal made possible by the drastic shift to the right that the DLC/Turd Way movement (hey, that has a little cache', no?) has enabled.
              Is not exactly born out by the fact, in that, they were blocking the guy even before he made any type of shift whatsoever.

              I have a strong belief that when Barack Obama leaves office the GOP will cease being as obstructionist as they currently are.

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