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  •  what about the sex charges in Sweden? (1+ / 0-)
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    duhban

    whatever else Mr Assange is up to, he isn't addressing those - and I suggest he should.  

    •  You mean the ones invented to give (11+ / 0-)

      authorities a "legitimate" reason to extradite him? Ooh, he had consensual sex with someone he wasn't married to! Rapist!

      Keep believing what government tells you to believe.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 07:25:51 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. Them sex charges..... (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Swedish law says what it does (1+ / 0-)
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        duhban

        and the truth needs to come out - and I don't know whether the women are telling the truth or not.  Do you?  Don't you think that rape needs investigation?

        The account I have seen (in The Guardian, not known for being a government mouthpiece)  is of what we'd call rape.

        I am at a loss to understand why a deal has not been done which allows extradition to Sweden but prevents it to the US; and am very suspicious as a result.  Where the glitch in this may be, I don't know.  

        •  The accusing woman has recanted (8+ / 0-)

          What more do you need to prove to you that this was bogus from the start? I deal in credible evidence, not suspicion and accusation.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 08:33:05 AM PDT

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          •  credible evidence? (1+ / 0-)
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            I think you will find that cases start with an accusation and work on from there.

            One of the charges remains but the Swedish authorities are not pursuing it much - perhaps because it is not seen as a serious matter, I don't know.

            What has always bothered me is why people said 'Assange = hero, therefore cannot be guilty of anything'. BS to that.  He remains a man whose sexual activities seemed a bit questionable, to me - convinced of his own charms he may be.  The accuser was one of his own supporters.

            Relevant to whether or not what he did Leaks-wise was heroic?  Not at all. Relevant to whether or not he is as a man admirable?  Yes.

      •  no, the charges brought by two Swedish women. (1+ / 0-)
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        duhban

        There was a time when progressives actually gave a damn about women's right not to be sexually violated.  It's interesting that the progressive Americans enjoy mocking Republicans for their idiotic, barbaric rhetoric when it comes to the subject of rape (rightly so), while at the same time many of those same progressives support a guy fleeing from rape charges just because the guy is one of their cause celebres.  

        And it's Sweden we're talking about, one of the most progressive countries in the world, and long held up as an example of how great democratic socialism would be if the same model were applied to the US.  That enlightened, progressive country is the country that Assange is fleeing from.

        •  So why did Sweden refuse to interrogate him... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...without extraditing him first? Got an answer to that one?

          Or would you rather cling to a false narrative about the people who are suspicious of the motives of the government of Sweden?

        •  Actually, its legal system sucks. (2+ / 0-)
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          3goldens, vigilant meerkat

          Assange would be held incommunicado and his trial would not be public. His guilt or innocence would be determined by politically appointed judges. And all it would take would be an OK by the Swedish foreign minister to send him to the U.S.

          I'm afraid you are not well informed.

          Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

          by expatjourno on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 10:05:48 AM PDT

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