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    I didn't mind. If I'm willing to call Markos delusional and a hypocrite when he talks about the awesome "new" Democrats, I can take his opinions in return.

    Actions speak louder than words. And despite his obvious disagreement with people who choose principle over party, he lets them run free on his site and doesn't censor or boot them. That, to me, says more about him than words.

    The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

    by lotusmaglite on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 12:16:51 PM PDT

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    •  This is what is infuriating: (4+ / 0-)
      If I'm willing to call Markos delusional and a hypocrite...
      No one said that about Markos, except you.

      I believe Markos is a big enough man to accept criticism, and criticism doesn't mean I don't admire what he has done. But I am nothing like a member of the Tea Party, and I can't let him say that without expressing my opinion.

      I am old, so much of what is happening to our nation, our global community, can't be corrected in my lifetime, but it will have a very big impact on the future of my children and grandchildren, so I have no intention of accepting everything that goes on within the Democratic Party.

      Markos can ban me if he wishes; that is certainly within his rights, but as I said, I hope he is man enough to accept criticism, and I think his willingness to put up with a lot of us old cranks is proof that he is.

      But don't compare me to members of the Tea Party. I am nothing like that.

      •  I imagine it *is* infuriating (2+ / 0-)
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        Ginny in CO, lotlizard

        ...and I didn't mean to imply it was no big deal, if that's how I came across.

        Obviously, the people he compared to the Tea Party are nothing like the Tea Party. I'm almost certainly one of them, and the only way(s) in which I would like to think I'm like the Tea Party is 1) they went out and protested, and 2) they managed to change something. Of course, they had huge financial backers, and the change they caused was awful, but it was in part a lesson in direct action.

        IMHO, his comparison was wrongheaded, simplistic, and not even close to accurate. I guess it just didn't mean much to me because I already knew that's what he thinks of people like me, and saying it on TV doesn't change anything for me. I probably should have stopped to consider that I may be in the minority, there.

        PS I'm going to have to disagree with one thing you wrote: I sincerely doubt I'm the only person who has called kos delusional or a hypocrite at some point. We have some strong opinions around here ;)

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Sun Jun 23, 2013 at 01:17:18 PM PDT

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        •  No problem. I'm sorry I lost my cool. (0+ / 0-)

          One of the ways that people have been attacking me recently is to twist my words into something insidious -- that is what I thought you were attempting to do.

          Thank you for clarifying your statement.

          Re: the PS...I understand.

      •  I've seen a lot of people criticize him. (5+ / 0-)

        But I've never seen him ban anyone for it. I agree with lotusmaglite, that says more about him than words. His recent comments were disappointing though, I'll certainly give you that.

        •  After posting my last comment, I made (4+ / 0-)

          a quick trip to Beverly Hills. On the way home, I passed a group of protesters at Wilshire and La Cienega. They were carrying signs protesting corruption and housing and education looked like there were less than 100 of them, and they were conducting themselves peacefully and respectfully...but about 50 feet behind them, and to the right, sat a police officer with a video camera, recording their activities.

          This isn't America...this seems more like the Soviet Union than the country that I've always loved.

          I don't have much patience with people who try to kill dissent...

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