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  •  BART ridership is up: (9+ / 0-)

    http://www.bart.gov/...

    Monthly ridership, and past years to 2008.
    Jan. 17 2013
    Train strain: BART working on capacity issues as ridership rises to record levels

    It’s not your imagination. BART trains are still getting more crowded, especially in the peak commute hours. In 2012 BART carried more than 114 million riders, surpassing all records.  BART also set an all-time single-day record of 568,061 as the Bay Area celebrated the 2012 Giants World Series victory.

    The good news: It’s an indication the economy is rebounding; more people have jobs to go to; they’re choosing BART and reporting high customer satisfaction with important attributes such as on-time performance. The down side: Crowded cars are less comfortable for riders.

    http://www.bart.gov/...

    I love ya, BBB, but yer provincialism may be showin'. I recently had to show a mid-career transportation planner in VA who grew up in NYC that, yes, there really is an extensive public rail transportation system in SoCal (where I grew up).  She was unaware until I showed her on-line maps and stats from (LA) MTA.

    And the most extensive LRT system in North America is in...Dallas TX.  There is a lot more rail transit West of the Mississippi than you may be aware of, much of it built in the last 20 years.

    Peace.

    I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

    by tom 47 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 09:47:19 AM PDT

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    •  Well, yeah. (0+ / 0-)

      I mean, I suppose that's what you'd generally call a lot...114 million rides. We had a billion like 10 years ago.

      I've seen the system in Southern Cal. Certainly very nice looking, if not very useful if you want to actually go anywhere consistently. I wouldn't call it extensive. Nor would I call Dallas' DART system extensive by any measure. More of a joke really. Even LA's system is better.

      •  I helped build the system here in Dallas (5+ / 0-)

        and take pride in my contribution. The regional agency did not exist before 1983, and now has a 96-mile system in a service area of  700 sq mi. serving a population of about 2 million people.

        Nearly nowhere else in the country has the density of NYC, so IT is the exception, not the norm. No, we're not New York, but few places are.  And we have not had the 100+ years head start you have.  Speaking of which, when WILL that 3rd Avenue tunnel ever get finished?  And the rolling stock on many of MTA's lines is deplorable. You just discovered air conditioning the last few years up there, apparently!

        Glad you find my professional contribution "more of a joke, really" and hope you're amused. Some of us are trying to help build cities and a nation worthy of this century and beyond. In Dallas, Houston, Denver, Portland, Seattle, Sacramento, San Diego, yes Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Salt Lake City, St. Louis, Minneapolis/ St. Paul, and elsewhere.  I have worked on 5 of those systems, and I'll say again am proud of my professional contributions over nearly 30 years in the business.  Folks depend on getting around, to and from their jobs, etc. all over the country. Those dependent on transit, and those who just want a choice, deserve the transit the voters and taxpayers are willing to pay for where they live.  I do my part to keep people moving.

        As I said, I love ya, but please be a bit broader-minded. Yes, even if NYC is the navel, the country extends form Maine to Florida to California and Alaska and Hawai'i and lots in between. 320 million of us, or whatever this week's number is.

        C'mon down and I'll show you around, buy you a good local brew (love your Brooklyn Lager). Maybe open your eyes and change your mind a bit.

        I say again, peace.

        I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

        by tom 47 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 12:23:58 PM PDT

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      •  Dallas DART... (1+ / 0-)
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        I live here in the north Dallas suburbs, where we have decent service from DART compared to other parts of the city, and it's useful but only for specific trips.  If you are trying to commute from the suburbs to downtown and back, monday through friday for your 9 to 5 job, then it's pretty nice.

        If you have any other needs, it's mostly useless, due to there just not being enough routes and such.

        And god save you if you need to go from one suburb to another for your job.  Just buy a car like the other zillion of us and carry on, in that case.

        I will say that DART rail is a damn sight better today than it was 15 years ago or 20 years ago.  It is actually usable as your primary way to get to and from downtown Dallas, most times of day.  The last couple of times we went downtown to attend events or take visitors to the various touristy things in downtown Dallas, we took the light rail and it was a LOT easier and trouble free than driving and parking is.

        "It puts the lotion on its skin, or it gets the GOP again." - The Democratic Party

        by Rick Aucoin on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 12:43:30 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks, glad you like it. (4+ / 0-)

          When I came to Dallas in 1979, the only transit service was the DTS bus inside the Dallas city limits, with two express routes to the Garland Park n Ride.  We have indeed come a long way. There are 13 DART member cities, but even with the FW "T" and Denton Co. Transit Auth., more people in N. TX live OUTside a transit agency area than IN. That's out of 6.2 M of us.

          Note that every campus of the Dallas Comm. Coll. Dist., except North Lake, is served by DART rail. Parkland, UTSW Med. Ctr. and the other hospitals there, Dallas Presbyterian, Baylor Medical Center, the VA Hosp., and others can be reached by rail. No small achievement, especially for those that can not or can not afford to drive.

          Live near the right rail station, and a multi-car household can get rid of one of its cars. For a two-earner household, only needing one car can make them have enough money to buy a house or condo, when they might not otherwise be able to do so.

          Lots of community benefits.

          And Rome wasn't built in a day.

          I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

          by tom 47 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 03:04:46 PM PDT

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      •  population size skews things in NYC (5+ / 0-)

        the bay area is a fraction of the size of new york, and bart is only part of the transit system, MUNI handles most of the traffic inside of SF, and caltrain handles the commuter traffic up the peninsula.

        •  ...and, BART serves the East Bay (0+ / 0-)

          All the way to San Jose, where there is the Santa Clara Valley VTA, with a 42- mile LRT system, and the Altamont Corridor Express commuter rail line, +/- 75 miles from San Jose up to Fremont and all the way to Stockton.

          I'm part of the "bedwetting bunch of website Democrat base people (DKos)." - Rush Limbaugh, 10/16/2012 Torture is Wrong! We live near W so you don't have to. Send love.

          by tom 47 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 02:31:36 AM PDT

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    •  By comparison, NYC subway had (1+ / 0-)
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      1.65 billion riders last year. And that doesn't even count the turnstile jumpers.

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