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  •  I Live In San Francisco and Let Me Tell You.. (7+ / 0-)

    BART employees and Muni employees have it pretty good in this city. Next to the police officers union it is the most powerful. $60,000 plus overtime equals roughly $100,000 a year. Not bad for someone who never went to college. We should all have it so rough. So here is the world's smallest violin playing just for BART employees

    •  Yeah, this article paints a one sided picture (6+ / 0-)

      BART employees typically make $60K in annual salary plus more than $11K in overtime and get $92/mo healthcare which covers them and all of their dependents.  In addition, they get pensions that they do not have to contribute to at all.  Antonette Bryant, one of the BART employees in the article, made $145,000 in total compensation last year, as a BART station agent

      Now they are demanding a 23% raise over the next four years.If the salaries are increased by the amount they are seeking, it is guaranteed to cause an increase in already expensive BART ticket prices which will affect both poor and middle class workers who typically ride BART because they cannot afford to live in the far more expensive San Francisco.  Meanwhile you can't ride BART a single day without being affected by things like broken escalators and  elevators, which is harmful to the elderly and disabled.

      I think unions have done a lot of great things, but I am not sure when an unaffordable and broken public transportation system for the poor and middle class became a liberal value.

      •  How do you feel about Wall Street bonuses? (1+ / 0-)
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        When labor wants a long overdue raise, or improvements in workplace safety, there are howls of complaint from management proxies.

        So, let's cut to the chase, capsulized by this question: "Which side are you on?".

        Carbon di-oxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is a "Climate Cluster Chaos" of the worst order if there ever was one. (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

        by Zinman on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 09:26:37 PM PDT

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        •  What does Wall Street have to do with this? (1+ / 0-)
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          Rich in PA

          Wall Street companies aren't apart of the government.  BART is.  

          •  Wealth inequality (0+ / 0-)

            When labor wants a raise after years of none, where is the support for them? Nowhere, apparently.

            Wealth inequality has not been corrected, it has been rewarded and made worse. The titans of finance have been bailed out of their trillion dollar hole by putting the taxpayers on the hook to the tune of trillions of dollars, which means they have charged their losses to the average working stiffs in America compliments of the US Government.

            My point regarding the BART labor negotiations is that trillions of dollars have been taken from us, the taxpayers of this nation, to bail out the billionaire bankers from their losses while gambling, but now we are being asked to deny blue-collar working class people a tiny improvement in their wages and working conditions, which is hypocritical.

            I say, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Let's pay our blue-collar BART workers the wages they deserve. And if there is any budgetary problem, then let's take it out of the hides of the trillionaires.

            Carbon di-oxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is "Climate Cluster Chaos" of the worst order if there ever was one. (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

            by Zinman on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 11:08:56 PM PDT

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      •  A twenty-three percent raise over four years (0+ / 0-)

        just does not compute with the tribe I run with, most of whom haven't seen COLA increases since 2009.

        They can ask for it, but they can't expect middle-class support for it.

        "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

        by Mogolori on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 09:34:17 PM PDT

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    •  Maybe if you're not happy you should strike, too. (2+ / 0-)
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      Zinman, gailwax

      Oh yeah, you probably watched as private sector Unions were gutted and did nothing, and the bar for salary and benefits got lower and lower. Now the powers that be are trying to gut public sector Unions, too, and you play your tiny violin instead of thinking, "Gee, maybe all of us should be demanding fair pay."

      -this space for rent-

      by EsnRedshirt on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 02:12:59 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe you should know what you are talking about (3+ / 0-)
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        before going off on how downtrodden the Muni employees are. Did you know that their Union is so powerful if a driver hit and kills someone he won't get fired? Do you know what the hotel unions in  this city do? they threaten hotels that if they don't accept their demands they will tell other businesses not to book their conventions/ Talk about blackmail. if you are in those unions you can't get fired no matter how bad you are at your job or even how dishonest you are. I'm all for protecting workers rights but it seems the unions in this city spend their time protecting incompetent people who otherwise wouldn't and shouldn't have another job based on their performance.

        •  So you are anti-union, I get it. (1+ / 0-)
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          Your comment is nothing but a rehash of all the distorted and bogus anti-union propaganda I have heard from  management stooges for decades.

          Carbon di-oxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is a "Climate Cluster Chaos" of the worst order if there ever was one. (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

          by Zinman on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 09:33:54 PM PDT

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          •  Do you live in San Francisco or the Bay Area? (0+ / 0-)

            If not shut your pie hole because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. don't come at me with that hippy liberal bs. Believe me I'm down here with my nose in it.

            •  I live in the Bay Area, and you are a troll (0+ / 0-)

              Support of unions and the aspirations of working people to improve their wages and working conditions is a core value of the Democratic Party. Attacking blue-collar working people is antithetical to the ethos of the Democratic Party.

              I will not shut my "pie hole" because I know what I am talking about. If you don't like "hippy bs" in defense of the rights of the working class, then you should take your poutrage elsewhere.

              Carbon di-oxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is "Climate Cluster Chaos" of the worst order if there ever was one. (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

              by Zinman on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 10:04:02 PM PDT

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      •  Different situations (1+ / 0-)
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        I could have my employer's assembly line equipment loaded in a container and on its way to Shenzen in an afternoon.

        It's hard to outsource BART.

        "states like VT and ID are not 'real america'" -icemilkcoffee

        by Utahrd on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 07:55:34 PM PDT

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    •  not as great as it seems (0+ / 0-)

      given the cost of living in sf.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 07:25:44 PM PDT

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