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  •  slay the "small government" idea (19+ / 0-)

    Government is "we the people"

    Government can do some things much more efficiently than the private sector. Government can do things the private sector won't. Government can make sure that the private sector pays its fair share for using the infrastructure. There are no record Wall St profits without cops, fire, roads, bridges. Privatizing infrastructure has always been a boon doggle. The Republicans say "small government" and what they mean is "my rich friends get a free ride".

    Stop triangulating and playing Clintonian defense with the idea that government can be a force for good. Make a larger shift to local government (maybe). Wall St transaction tax - there's no way that issue wouldn't resonate with some of the Republican base. Stop trying to balance your ideological checklist on the backs of America's seniors.

    Let's shrink the conservative movement down to where we can drown it in a bathtub.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 11:51:29 AM PDT

    •  Not a week goes by without someone posting on (12+ / 0-)

      my Facebook feed some ridiculous nonsense about how the Constitution says "We the People" not "We the Government."  I have given up reminding them that "We" ARE the "Government."  Who do they think elected the government they despise so much?  

      Sigh.  

      Totally agree with you.  The Progressives, Liberals, and Democrats--whatever you choose to call the anti-conservatives--need to stop playing defense.  Deregulation, privatization, profitization and willful, strategic neglect of the commons are the direct cause of our decline.  

      Metaphors be with you.

      by koosah on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 12:10:49 PM PDT

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    •  The "efficiency" myth (10+ / 0-)

      When the RW speaks of "efficiency" they mean something very different from what you might think. They mean profitable. Business efficiency may result in better products or services but that's only an incidental outcome. What measures efficiency in business terms is profitability. As long as profits rise, everything else is mere detail.

      This ignores the fact that some things may be necessary despite being unprofitable. Disaster relief is a fair example. Business logic would argue that letting private interests compete to bring in supplies in for profit would be more efficient than Government relief. Of course this is absurd if the goal is to get aid to all those who need it rather than only those who can afford it.

      The same applies to other basic services such as sanitation, water, power, education, etc.

      The phony efficiency argument should be exposed and opposed at every opportunity.  

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 12:50:56 PM PDT

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    •  Or at least make policy that encourages an action (3+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, alain2112, Buckeye54

      The example I have been using a lot lately is the Rural Electric Coops.  Back in the infancy of electrification the electric companies said it was too expensive to run power lines to farms and rural communities.   So with the help of low interest government loans, and some favorable policies, the rural community banded together and formed rural electric coops.  Quite often the farmers set the poles and strung the wires themselves since they had labor but little capital.  In the end once they got power the rural people figured out there was a whole lot of stuff you could run with electricity.  Pretty soon the meters were spinning and the electric companies have been trying to get control of coops ever since.  

    •  What alternative? Unaccountable Big Corporations. (0+ / 0-)

      Its really not about the 'size' of the government even for these crackers.  Its is either 1) they don't want to pay taxes, or 2) want to be able to do stuff that will hurt others (see, racists, homophobes, runaway development, enviromental destruction, etc.)

      The second is not worthy of consideration: it is sociopathy masquerading as political philosophy.

      The first is easily answered and turned: Even honest cons must admit there is no such thing as free lunch.  We want certain things and demand someone do them.  Either we pay big business at muh higher cost (because they are cost plus profit plus graft, etc.) to do it, or we do it through our elected government.  If government does it poorly, I can vote the bums out.  Where do I go to vote the big business bums out?  Hell, you can't even get them charged when they murder the economy and caught red-handed with the smoking gun!

      When they retreat to 'competition', ask them how much compeition there is when the oil giants conspire to fix prices, or your competition is Microsoft and what?  And when they say 'antitrust' or 'that's illegal', reply: "Oh, you mean now you want the bad ol' government?  What's point of paying the corporate middleman then?"

      And, yes, also point out that if we want to be, we are the government.  Heck, look at the t-party, at its height a 1/4 of the voters, a lot obviously nuts, and they turned things on its head in one election."  (And yes, I know that really doesn't prove responsiveness of government, since T-p was astroturfed Thugs-by-another-name, but the T-p can;t allow itself to see that thier mythology is a lie).

      Persuadables get it.

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