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  •  I get your point, really. (4+ / 0-)

    Your approach works better in the short run.  Mine is aimed at the longer run, to reclaim ground we've been losing.  We're about to run out of ground and vocabulary on our side, and for a change I'd like to see us push the other side on its heels, not beg them for a dance.

    •  I don't believe it works better in the short run. (5+ / 0-)

      We've been trying and trying to placate "the other side" and we've gotten exactly nothing out of them. Nothing that involves money, that is.

      They don't care what words we dress it up with. They want all the money and resources, and they want us to have none. It really is that stark. It took me 26 years of activism to finally realize it, but that's really where they're at.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 01:16:44 PM PDT

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      •  It's not placating "the other side" (1+ / 0-)
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        kj in missouri

        it's making common cause with them. Writing off the entire Republican base is counter productive. Some of them are religious or ideological dead enders, some of them aren't.

        If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

        by jgnyc on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 02:40:35 PM PDT

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        •  Will they vote for money to create jobs? (1+ / 0-)
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          Will they vote for the necessary climate protections that will secure our food and water supply? Will they vote for putting Wall St back behind a wall of laws that keeps them from wrecking the world economy?

          That's what needs to be done to secure our future, that and trade agreements that don't destroy our workers and businesses.

          Things are too dire now. People who don't want to get on board with the basic things necessary to our survival are not people that it's any use to make common cause with. That's what I mean by "the other side." And actually, I believe that there are both Reagan Democrats and Republicans who would get on board with all those things. The ones who won't, well, we've been chasing them long enough.

          Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:28:28 PM PDT

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          •  sort of (0+ / 0-)

            >Will they vote for money to create jobs?

            If pitched correctly yes. More sell the voters on a vision, a Way Forward, putting America Back to Work.

            > Will they vote for the necessary climate protections that will secure our food and water supply?

            No. The Republican tribe will not at least I'm very doubtful.

            > Will they vote for putting Wall St back behind a wall of laws that keeps them from wrecking the world economy?

            Sort of. I think mainstreet is ready for a transaction tax but I doubt any House candidates next year will bring it up. Hope I'm wrong as it's a moral high ground winner.

            If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

            by jgnyc on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 08:12:13 PM PDT

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