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  •  DING DING DING!!! ^^^^ RIGHT THERE ^^^ (4+ / 0-)

    What is the fucking point of all this if they couldn't figure that out?

    There IS a point to it.  It just ISN'T that.

    The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. -

    by No one gets out alive on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:42:55 PM PDT

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    •  I think they're building evidence (2+ / 0-)
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      And I trust them to use any and every tool given to them to do so. The Executive Branch is not going to be guilted into not using these tools, we need to have congress take them away.

      But I'm sure they are finding suspects and various crime rings. Whether this is limited to terrorism however is doubtful to me. These are long time wish lists from law enforcement. Bush gave them everything they wanted. Frankly I'm angry Obama is getting saddled with this. If only Republican Presidents are going to oversee this stuff, where's the consequences to conservatives for approving this in the first place?

      I want Obama haters to demand congress take this power away from the Executive Branch period. I want conservatives to admit they were wrong about the Patriot Act instead of just whining that Obama is doing what they gave him the power to do

      Money doesn't talk it swears.

      by Coss on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:52:37 PM PDT

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      •  What good is evidence without action? (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't get you point.

        We spent a fortune, and something pretty damned obvious gets by.

        And then there's that whole 'shitting on the constitution' thing, which I take you don't have a problem with so much.

        I agree with you that it must end.

        It doesn't look like Obama is going to take point on that, though - does it?

        The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. -

        by No one gets out alive on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 06:58:17 PM PDT

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        •  I wouldn't assume they aren't gathering (0+ / 0-)

          crucial data.

          Congress shit on the constitution, what does it matter what Obama does if the next president still has the authority to do all this?

          Why do you think this data collection would have thwarted a couple of crazy dicks from bombing the Boston Marathon?

          Do you actually believe they're listening to all our phone calls and reading all of out emails?!

          Money doesn't talk it swears.

          by Coss on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 07:04:12 PM PDT

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          •  Yes I do believe that (2+ / 0-)
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            But they were probably too busy reading the emails and listening to the phone calls of OWS "leaders" to bother with a couple of troublemaking brothers in Boston.

            •  The brothers didn't announce themselves (0+ / 0-)

              as leaders of any group or organization. Particularly not one threatening the establishment or corporate structure. I really don't find it shocking that the government would look into leaders or key players of anti government groups. They'd be fairly harshly criticized if they didn't and something happened later.

              I understand the frustration here, but logic has to prevail.

              Money doesn't talk it swears.

              by Coss on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 08:23:18 PM PDT

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      •  Coss, it wasn't (0+ / 0-)

        just Bush and the conservaties overseeing AND funding it.
        It is also the Dems too.
        This has nothing to do with hating Obama.
        It might be hating his betrayals of all the campaign promises he made.
        It is also the increasing police state we are living in.
        I wish people could see this is not all about Obama.
        However, HE is in charge of these programs now.
        And he ran on reining in these abuses that happened under Bush.
        Watch his vids.
        He said that.
        And yes, we will get right on demanding Congress to take away this power.
        And again, it wasn't just conservatives that passed all the heinous ACTS.
        In fact, Obama wanted the NDAA.
        I would like people to dtop giving the Dems a pass for all the things the thugs do or did.
        Whete were the holds or filibusters from the Dems?
        Or is it just the thugs that get to play those games?  

        Gitmo is a Concentration Camp. Not a Detention Center. Torture happens at Concentration Camps. Torture happens at Gitmo. How much further will US values fall? Where is YOUR outrage at what the United States does in OUR names?

        by snoopydawg on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 12:41:20 AM PDT

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        •  All I'm saying (0+ / 0-)

          is call right wingers on their bluff and make them take this power away from the Executive Branch. This is about politics. They want to have their cake and eat it to. Obama deciding to tell the NSA not to use the tools given to them will simply end when his presidency ends. What is the point of that?

          And if you don't remember why some dems went along with this stuff after 911, ask Max Cleland.

          Money doesn't talk it swears.

          by Coss on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 12:01:44 PM PDT

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