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    blue aardvark

    A military junta can never be considered democratic.  The military uses force to enact it's objectives.  That's it's sole purpose.  

    that is incapable of electing parties and officials who are not intent on sending them back into the 15th Century both in terms of religion and in terms of modern living.
    This is the most condescending crap I've read today.  Saying that people who live in their own nation and are practicing their right to self determination through the ballot are voting wrong.  They are voting wrong by your enlightened western standards and should have that right taken away from them.  

    Do you think that the army in Brazil should commit a coup on the elected government because people are protesting?  Do you think they should reform the military juntas there again?  Or did the people in Brazil vote right unlike those in Turkey and Egypt?

    •  Look, Dude or Dudette, this is not Brasil and (1+ / 0-)
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      we are talking about a complicated part of the world in different ways than Brasil.  

      Brasil's problem is corruption and that's its unfortunate theme in 20th and 21st Century politics.

      The Middle East and Egypt and Turkey specifically are countries that enjoyed secular and modern governance under dictators.

      If you are naive enough to believe that purple fingers signal democracy, then I am sorry for you.  I am sorry that you haven't a clue about the reality of how long it takes for real and viable democracies to emerge.

      But you and your ignorance aside, the really sad thing about Egypt and Turkey is that they are both going in the wrong direction even after decades of moving towards democratic and secular modern advancements.

      Brasil never could claim that kind of advancement.  Brasil was and still is under the thumb of whatever the Pope is at the moment and the Pope doesn't go there and say, "Be less corrupt" - he's gone there and said, "Have more babies."  Maybe this new Pope will be different, but the reality of Brasil is that that country is captured by the religious and the politically corrupt which has kept that country - one that by all rights should be one of the most powerful in the world based on population and natural resources - kept Brasil in a second, third or forth tier position for the past hundred years.

      •  "Enjoyed" is stretching it. (1+ / 0-)
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        The Egyptians "enjoyed" it so much that they put their lives on the line to get rid of the Mubarak regime.  "Secular and modern governance" included a police state that clamped down on dissent through torture, imprisonment and murder under the color of law.  

        Turkey enjoyed it so much that it elected Erdogan -- and let's not forget the Kurds who suffered intensely during the quasi-military years.  

        "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

        by Yamaneko2 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 at 08:13:06 PM PDT

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      •  Umm you don't know what you are talking about. (0+ / 0-)

        AT ALL.  Brazil was under a military dictatorship, as was most of latin america, during most of the last 60 years.  When the military finally handed over power to civilian authorities, the political landscape was terrible and Brazil was left with many economic problems.

        Dude or dudette you really know nothing.  

        What you are saying is at best boarderline racist.  With the "They are so socially backwards that they vote wrong" type of talk.  For example

        But you and your ignorance aside, the really sad thing about Egypt and Turkey is that they are both going in the wrong direction even after decades of moving towards democratic and secular modern advancements.
        I don't think you know what democratic means.  Since you seem to think it's a feature of military dictatorships and coups.  

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