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  •  Pardon me if I don't "get over it" (6+ / 0-)

    I ain't often right, but I've never been wrong. Seldom turns out the way it does in this song.

    by mungley on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 03:39:42 PM PDT

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    •  yeah, I ain't "getting over it" either.... (1+ / 0-)
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      Besides, "racism" isn't just "prejudice" it involves prejudice mixed with power over other people.

      The African American community doesn't currently have the means to exert "racism" on the rest of us, even if a few folks are prejudiced (for good fucking reason, I might add.)

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 06:41:34 PM PDT

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      •  Racism is not only a black/white thing (0+ / 0-)

        nor is it a 'American' thing.  Giving anyone a pass because you think they have 'a good reason', does not make your point.  It actually questions your logic and makes your 'offended' comment below seem like a contradiction....  

        •  Get yourself some education on the subject (2+ / 0-)
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          "Racism" is NOT prejudice, it is a systematic denial of rights based upon racial characteristics, enforced by power. Power relationships between ethnic and racial groups in this country are NOT symmetric, racial minorities in this country do not have the power to exert racist discrimination on the white majority.

          Your original comment was offensive.  

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 07:37:14 PM PDT

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          •  Get myself some education??? (0+ / 0-)

            Why are you trying to get personal?  Racism - you do not like some one based on their race.  Prejudice - you do not like someone base on preconceived stereotypes.... ie. race, sexual orientation....  So your first point is wrong.  Racism can be a type/factor in prejudice.

            •  From Wiki.. (0+ / 0-)
              The UN does not define “racism”; however, it does define “racial discrimination”: According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,
              the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[20]
              This definition does not make any difference between discrimination based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the two remains debatable among anthropologists.[21] Similarly, in British law the phrase racial group means "any group of people who are defined by reference to their race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin".[22]
              Sociological
              Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of group privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman has defined racism as “culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities”.[23] Sociologists Noël A. Cazenave and Darlene Alvarez Maddern define racism as “...a highly organized system of 'race'-based group privilege that operates at every level of society and is held together by a sophisticated ideology of color/'race' supremacy....(emphasis added)... Sellers and Shelton (2003) found that a relationship between racial discrimination and emotional distress was moderated by racial ideology and public regard beliefs. That is, racial centrality appears to promote the degree of discrimination African American young adults perceive whereas racial ideology may buffer the detrimental emotional effects of that discrimination. Racist systems include, but cannot be reduced to, racial bigotry,”.[24] Sociologist and former American Sociological Association president Joe Feagin argues that the United States can be characterized as a "total racist society"[25]
              Police harassment and brutality directed at black men, women, and children are as old as American society, dating back to the days of slavery and Jim Crow segregation. Such police actions across the nation today reveal important aspects of . . . the commonplace discriminatory practices of individual whites . . . [and] white dominated institutions that allow or encourage such practices.."[26]
              I believe these paragraphs illustrate what I'm asserting, that racism is systematic, and more than mere dislike of a group based on skin color or ethnicity.

              I believe this is the definition that's generally agreed upon around here, as well.

              And I'm still not "getting over it"  That comment was inflammatory and insulting, and you should have said something different.

              "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

              by leftykook on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:24:37 AM PDT

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              •  No one was trying to be inflammatory (0+ / 0-)

                or insulting.  If people believe that racism will ever be wipe off the face of the earth, they are fooling themselves.  

                As far as the above..... I read the words "does not define racism", "some sociologist have defined racism" as a shaky foundation for a "definition".
                Also, seems the last two segments have a "American" perspective.  Like I stated earlier, the problem of racism is not unique to America.  It's a big world and many civilizations have had to deal with it through out history.

                Racism is wrong and we have laws an regulations to punish those who publicly display racism, but it still ferments under the radar (at least most of the time) and can not be eliminated.  Again, not trying to inflame or insult, but reality is what it is.......  

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