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  •  I'd like to point out to Dem candidates; (23+ / 0-)

    If you're thinking about campaigning on 'running away' from the environmental issues because of the 'lessons learned' about how Obamacare destroyed Dem candidates in 2010; most of those candidates lost even though they 'ran away' from the health care issue. PERHAPS if they had showed some GUTS, and embraced health care and were proud of their position on it, they might have turned the tide and won. Don't learn a lesson from a losing strategy; show some guts. People like people who show guts.

    "Use the Force, Harry!" - Gandalf

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 08:32:55 AM PDT

    •  They're probably (1+ / 0-)
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      right about it being a political loser. That's what's so depressing and terrifying.

      •  It's not a political loser - it's only a political (4+ / 0-)
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        loser if they do it half assed like the ACA.

        Rhetoric, values and policy must jive to win - that's what Republicans have been doing for the last 30 years - they have been presenting a coherent ideology. Wrong, but coherent.

        Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

        by k9disc on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 02:15:26 PM PDT

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        •  yep, exactly. Climate Change is (3+ / 0-)
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          a winning issue. But, we have some low information Dems that listen to el Rushbo and are scared $h!tless to run on it. "well, el Rushbo says Climate Change is horse$h!t, and not only horse$h!t but trumped up Librul horse$h!t and... and... and if we run on Climate Change... "
          Self fulfilling prophesy, much, low information Dems??
          Get your collective $h!t together, get on message and just like k9disc points out... you do it right and Climate Change is a winning issue. Big time! You knock el Rushbo out of the park on this issue, you kick TeaPublicon ass on this issue!
          But, no. Just like ACA you'll half ass it and el Rushbo and the TeaPubs will have their way with you. Then you'll come back here, point fingers and say, "See! We Told you it was a loser issue!" [rolls eyes] Yes, if you half ass it like you did with ACA it will be a loser issue. But, if you stand up like you have a backbone - like Wendy did the other night in the heart of Texas - point fingers and laugh at those assholes on the wrong side of history... then you will win on this issue. Americans just waiting for you low information Dems to stand up for something. To stand for something. Just to stand the fuck up. So do so! Win for a change.

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          by winkk on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 10:09:47 PM PDT

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      •  Not with anyone I know (9+ / 0-)

        Even conservatives (with the possible exception of political policy makers) are learning that climate change denial causes things like crop loss, changing environments in which the species you have contracts for logging no longer exists in your region, declines in fish stocks.

        Eventually those things hurt economies which means businesses don't get to sell as much stuff, credit card companies and banks and even wall street tycoons lose money.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 02:47:18 PM PDT

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      •  Eventually there will be some splainin to do (4+ / 0-)
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        Campaigning on this won't change the objective facts that will become more and more obvious as time goes by.  Who knows what will happen in the summer of 2014.  What will be left of the arctic circle, etc.

        The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

        by ecostar on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 03:50:25 PM PDT

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      •  Its a big fight and we might lose! (1+ / 0-)
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        So the safe thing to do is not even try.

        Centrist "pragmatic" thinking at its finest. If you buy into every right-wing meme and narrative, why bother calling yourself a Dem?

        Just because the "conventional wisdom" AKA Right Wing Narrative  says that climate change is a loser doesn't mean that its impossible for the Dems to actually fight for it and turn it around.

        Just like single-payer. Wait, now that I mention that, the situation does look pretty bad...

        Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

        by Boogalord on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:20:23 AM PDT

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