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  •  The dismantling of past progressive gains... (25+ / 0-)

    ...whether for racial or economic justice, has been a painful reality for close to two decades now. What's been even more painful is that some who dare call themselves progressive have accepted elements of this dismantling without demurral or have actively abetted it.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 10:02:37 AM PDT

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    •  What is to be done? (7+ / 0-)

      (to quote a famous essay).  :-)

      The left-progressive world-view, with its critique of empire and the United States, has never found a good fit with the majority of people, at least those who vote.   The same is true with the critique[s] of capitalism.  Even in a Great Recession/Depression, there was no real movement for fundmanetla economic change.   Occupy faded quickly, and it never achieved the status of a movement.  

      On the other hand, empire and capitalism are interrelated and many of our problems stem from both.  I explored this in the GPUSA back in 2000.  You can "keep truth alive" and build for a future that likely will come, if at all, after one's death.

      The reform capitalist road, however, has its own problems.  Supporting Democrats, which I do for the most part, helps people, but the system continues.  

      I chose the Democratic Party path, but I see both as problematic and no third or fourth way.

      Minimizing to the exten possible the pain of others seemed moral and the other paths seemed to go nowhere.

      So it's always back to "what is to be done"?

      The probem is the people's views.  Until people chanfge their ideas, much damage will occur.  So how to "we" influence people?

      I worry that Dkos has devolved into an echo chamber (even with its divisions and flame wars).  

      It's a bigger probem than I can solve.  Organzing on the ground seems more useful that arguing on a blog.

      Just rambles.

      Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

      by TomP on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 10:17:26 AM PDT

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    •  I believe it's called pragmatism in many circles. (0+ / 0-)

      The idea is that you just can't expect Washington to behave decently, and you prove yourself a fool by even trying to get them to do it.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 10:27:54 AM PDT

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    •  I have not encountered anyone here (4+ / 0-)

      Who has accepted or abetted the curtailing of voting rights.
      Once recently, a poster asked why requiring an ID was so onerous and he/she was promptly schooled about what these laws mean on the ground.  Otherwise, there is, as far as I have read here, pretty universal disgust and dismay about the Supremes'' latest horror show.c

      Never in history has so much money been spent to resist equality; the gross sums of money being spent to take us backwards is lewd, is pornographic is blatant and is arrogant. --Reverend Dr. William Barber, 2012

      by SottoVoce on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 11:53:39 AM PDT

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      •  I'm making a broad statement about a range... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...of issues over a 20-year period, not specifically about users at Daily Kos. "Progressives" in that period include the likes of Larry Summers and Robert Rubin, who engineered additional banking deregulation, and Bill Clinton himself who signed on to welfare reform, just to offer a couple of examples of such dismantling.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 12:45:25 PM PDT

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        •  I see. Coming as it did in a diary about (1+ / 0-)
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          Voting rights, I misunderstood.

          Never in history has so much money been spent to resist equality; the gross sums of money being spent to take us backwards is lewd, is pornographic is blatant and is arrogant. --Reverend Dr. William Barber, 2012

          by SottoVoce on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 01:43:37 PM PDT

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