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  •  Civil War: the stupidest war ever? (0+ / 0-)

    You’d have to go to South America (maybe the “South” is South America?) to find one as stupid...  
    Can you imagine killing people just because they came from another state—how about relatives?
    A million dead for no reason what so ever—power play!
    A reconstruction that almost start another civil war –and up from slavery and into the cold dead arms of peonage—halaluyah!

    •  Actually it wasn't that stupid (14+ / 0-)

      The great original sin of our country is slavery.  Lincoln, in the second inaugural says the following:

      The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
      That terrible war was the consequence of that terrible.

      [Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security] do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great.

      by MoDem on Tue Jul 02, 2013 at 05:44:59 PM PDT

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      •  And... (1+ / 0-)
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        Notthemayor this day, regional divisions exist that are largely rooted in racism as well as systematic racism across the country that originated in the South.

        The denouement will come when Hispanics gain a plurality of the population.  Not that there won't be some vicious politics to try to pry them away from the Democrats.

        "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove." P.G. Wodehouse

        by gsbadj on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 01:23:44 PM PDT

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    •  If you haven't already, you might check out (6+ / 0-)

      Lincoln's "House Divided" speech. It's hard to read that speech and think that the Civil War was about no reason whatsoever.
      Lincoln obviously understood the corrosive effect continued slavery would have on democracy.

      •  Oddly enough (2+ / 0-)
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        TRsCousin, Notthemayor

        One of the best books I've read about Lincoln is "Freedom", by William Safire.  Although the author was eloquently despicable, the book offers the gradual and extraordinary insight the re-framed my understanding of how the war was prosecuted. It is about the first two years of the first Lincoln Administration.

        Lincoln's power was in possessing a true moral compass; he invariably understood where the country needed to be on many levels- particularly about slavery.  His political gift was an innate ability to manipulate people into getting there before him, and then reinforcing their belief that it was the right thing to do by putting up enough resistance himself to have them barking at him to do it.

        Extraordinary man, extraordinary story.  I just can't figure out where Safire was hiding this book all those years.

        "When you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance." Jesse Winchester

        by The Poet Deploreate on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:22:14 AM PDT

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