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  •  not sure we dont now (0+ / 0-)

    There is something to be said for making sure your enemy knows they have been defeated.  We imposed defeat - total and unambiguous - on both Japan and Germany.  No insurgency.

    I was there at CENTCOM when we advised the national leadership to do the same in Iraq.  Instead we got the Rumsfeld bypass strategy.  

    Maybe if we had imposed total defeat we would not be facing a disloyal opposition with dreams of returning to their racist past.

    It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

    by ksuwildkat on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 12:24:53 AM PDT

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    •  We imposed total and unambiguous defeat on Japan? (0+ / 0-)

      Is that why Hirohito reigned until 1989? Even in the case of WWII Germany, there were compromises to levels of denazification.

      •  powerless (0+ / 0-)

        In the case of Hirohito the fact that he was "allowed" to continue in a purely ceremonial role underscores how complete the defeat was.  Here was a man who was a "god" on earth but then was reduced to simply occupying a chair and presiding over ceremonies.  Some would consider what was done to him as cruel and unusual punishment.

        As for the Germans, yes some former Nazi party members were allowed to have roles in the new Germany but it was extremely limited and they were never trusted.  Compare that to Jefferson Davis who spent two years in comfortable jail and then released to live a normal life.  He and the rest of the Southern leadership should have been hung in the public square.

        It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

        by ksuwildkat on Fri Jul 05, 2013 at 02:45:01 AM PDT

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    •  Major difference - against Japan and Germany, we (0+ / 0-)

      were fighting foreign countries and foreign cultures.  With the Confederate States of America, these were fellow Americans who spoke the same language, had fought major wars on the side of the North in gaining and keeping Independence from Britain and who shared many other similarities.  Families were torn apart by the Civil War as some members fought on the two sides.  That rarely happened with the Axis powers in World War II.

      The fact that there are major forces still at work popularizing and grandstanding to promote the positions of the Confederacy is deplorable, but they're still states of the United States and while there are some who agitate for secession again, that's not even close to happening.  

      I don't think punishing the South would have been in America's best interests, even with the history of the KKK, Jim Crow laws and the rest since the Civil War.  I think it would have been too divisive and the states would be even more separate than they are today.

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