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  •  the road runs both ways . . . (0+ / 0-)

    You decry "disproportionate" incarceration under the drug laws, and imply that it's "white people's" responsibility to do something about it . . . but when I see people trying to repeal marijuana laws they're disproportionately . . . white . . . (and presumptively "racist" because of that).

    The "pro-choice" movement is (or at least seems to me to be) as "race neutral" as any cause can be . . . but participation in it, and the ongoing defense of women's reproductive rights, is disproportionately . . . white . . . (and presumptively "racist" because of that).

    Climate change knows no color . . . if anything the poorer (and typically non-white) countries will suffer most.  But here in the US organizing and protest about "global warming" is disproportionately . . . white . . . (and presumptively "racist" because of that).

    I see no reason to believe that "sexual orientation" is racially linked . . . and yet the "gay rights" and "marriage equality" movements are disproportionately . . . white . . . (and presumptively "racist" because of that).

    Maybe there is some sort of "disconnect" between "black" causes and universal progressive causes . . . but perhaps you are looking in the wrong place for the "cause" of that disconnect, and preaching to the wrong audience if you want to cure it.

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 07:49:27 AM PDT

    •  facepalm. (9+ / 0-)

      Why are so many of these fights disproportionately white?  Because it's disproportionately white people who have the means and the time to spend on protests, rather than spending all of their time working merely to keep themselves and their families alive.

      Find a way to boost the average wealth of minorities 20 fold, give them equal pay and equal job security, and you'll see more of them able to afford to take their focus away from day to day survival enough to show up more at protests.

      (Well, and as someone else pointed up above, find a way to make them in no more danger of assault and arrest by police for the exact same actions while you're at it.)

      •  precisely, Doc, which is why (2+ / 0-)
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        (imho) economic inequality and the struggle against the "Oligarch", that
        "99% vs 1%" issue,  is THE root issue that should be uniting all of us.  The largest constituency is all the people who have to get up in the morning and go to work.  Most of them are getting a raw deal, whatever their race.

        The "Left" (such as it is) is fragmented all over the spectrum of "progressive" issues, and thus our effect is diminished, while we fight each other over which issue is most important.

        The Oligarch chuckles.

        don't always believe what you think

        by claude on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 09:21:11 AM PDT

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    •  Indeed it does run both ways. (1+ / 0-)
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      However from the white vantage point, white progressives are in the privilege seat to decide the 'critical mass' issues as I have stated in other posts.

      1.  There is a difference between wanting the right to smoke marijuana legally and being disportionately affected by laws governing the illegal sale of cocaine products.  Also, legalizing marijuana will not necessarily affect laws governing how it would sold.  The point here is that you are speaking on consumption and not distribution.  If you want to understand part of the reason why legalizing marijuana consumption is something not resonating with African Americans, then maybe you should research who consumes the drug more.

      2.  Regarding abortions:  According to the US Census (linked here), the number of abortions among white women were at times nearly double that of black woman, ages 15 to 44 from 1990 to 2007.  Yet the fertility rate by race and Hispanic origin in 2008 shows that all other races had a higher fertility rate than white women with the exception of American Indians and Eskimos (Asians and Pacific Islanders' rates were nearly equal to whites).  Link Here.  While right to life is certainly an important matter to woman on the whole, the facts are that more non-whites are having babies while more whites are opting for abortion (which is their right to do so under the law).  The fertility rate among Hispanics is the highest of all.  This is why the rightwing is fighting to  close down abortions clinics (to even the statistical playing field ) as well as disinfranchise all people of color in many ways and not because fighting for the right to life is racist.

      3.  Progressives fighting climate change would do well in highlighting environmental justice issues.  People who are poor and disportionately non white are living in environmental waste dumps.  Many poor whites as well.  By speaking on EJ issues, it will only help poor whites who are also affected by this matter as well and not because fighting for the climate is racist.

      4.  Fighting for gay rights is not racist, but it certainly can be homophobic based on religious values.  This is where the discussion really lies between blacks, hispanics and white gays because the segment of black and hispanic LGBTs are hurt the most.

      Perhaps you were being snarky or maybe you really don't understand, but your dismissive commentary is exactly the problem with progressive coalition building as I see it.

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