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  •  Actually he wouldn't be (0+ / 0-)

    very welcome here. :)

    His position on guns/armed struggle would create a big problem for a lot of folks.

    And he wasn't an anarchist in the European sense - though he did adopt some of Magón's ideology.

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    by Denise Oliver Velez on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:07:23 PM PDT

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    •  He read Kropotkin (0+ / 0-)

      so it wasn't just Magon's influence.

      As to his position on armed struggle, please elaborate. He was in the middle of a revolution, after all.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:10:47 PM PDT

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    •  So... as to armed struggle... (0+ / 0-)

      you oppose the American Revolution?

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:11:40 PM PDT

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      •  did I mention what I oppose or don't? (1+ / 0-)
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        I was speaking of Emiliano.

        I support armed self-defense.  Have on here.

        The American Revolution? Has little meaning for me.  It didn't free slaves and "the father of our country" was a dastardly slave-holder.

        Of the first five presidents, four owned slaves.  All four of these owned slaves while they were president.

        Of the next five presidents (#6-10), four owned slaves.  Only two of them owned slaves while they were president.

        Of the next five presidents (#11-15), two owned slaves. Both of these two owned slaves while they were president.

        Of the next three presidents (#16-18) two owned slaves. neither of them owned slaves while serving as president.

        The last president to own slaves while in office was the twelfth president, Zachary Taylor (1849-1850).

        The last president to own slaves at all was the eighteenth president, Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877).

        So twelve of our presidents owned slaves and eight of them owned slaves while serving as president.

        I take it personally too - since James Madison ownd some of my family.

        At least the damned British abolished the slave trade in 1807, and slavery in its colonies in 1833.

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        by Denise Oliver Velez on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:26:45 PM PDT

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        •  Well, on all of this (0+ / 0-)

          We agree. I've sometimes wondered if we wouldn't have been better off if the English had won. After all, look at Canada. But as to self defense, how is what
          Zapata supported not self defense?

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          by ZhenRen on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:30:02 PM PDT

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      •  I do. (0+ / 0-)

        What do you think the motivation was for the American Revolution?  I think it was pride and greed.

    •  Define anarchism (0+ / 0-)

      in the European sense, please.

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      by ZhenRen on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:19:13 PM PDT

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      •  No. (1+ / 0-)
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        I'd rather discuss racism and white privilege.

         

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        by Denise Oliver Velez on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:30:55 PM PDT

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        •  Then don't reply (1+ / 0-)
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          if you don't want to explain yourself. The fact is, if you're like so many around here (see comment I originally replied to), I doubt that you have much of a clue about anarchism, whether "European" or otherwise.

          The fact is, Spain has a long tradition of anarchism, including peasant anarchist influences, and this tradition would have been acutely known by Mexican anarchists.

          Unlike Marxism, peasants have had a place in anarchist uprisings. Spain has a history of medieval peasant villages that were traditionally based on anarchist concepts.

          Spain, in fact, is the source of one of the most often discussed examples of anarchist successes, during the Spanish Civil War.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:41:15 PM PDT

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