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  •  So... as to armed struggle... (0+ / 0-)

    you oppose the American Revolution?

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:11:40 PM PDT

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    •  did I mention what I oppose or don't? (1+ / 0-)
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      I was speaking of Emiliano.

      I support armed self-defense.  Have on here.

      The American Revolution? Has little meaning for me.  It didn't free slaves and "the father of our country" was a dastardly slave-holder.

      Of the first five presidents, four owned slaves.  All four of these owned slaves while they were president.

      Of the next five presidents (#6-10), four owned slaves.  Only two of them owned slaves while they were president.

      Of the next five presidents (#11-15), two owned slaves. Both of these two owned slaves while they were president.

      Of the next three presidents (#16-18) two owned slaves. neither of them owned slaves while serving as president.

      The last president to own slaves while in office was the twelfth president, Zachary Taylor (1849-1850).

      The last president to own slaves at all was the eighteenth president, Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877).

      So twelve of our presidents owned slaves and eight of them owned slaves while serving as president.

      I take it personally too - since James Madison ownd some of my family.

      At least the damned British abolished the slave trade in 1807, and slavery in its colonies in 1833.

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      by Denise Oliver Velez on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:26:45 PM PDT

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      •  Well, on all of this (0+ / 0-)

        We agree. I've sometimes wondered if we wouldn't have been better off if the English had won. After all, look at Canada. But as to self defense, how is what
        Zapata supported not self defense?

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Wed Jul 03, 2013 at 06:30:02 PM PDT

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    •  I do. (0+ / 0-)

      What do you think the motivation was for the American Revolution?  I think it was pride and greed.

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