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  •  The difference is (1+ / 0-)
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    that we have the vote. If injustice goes uncorrected because of wrongheadedness or laziness on the part of voters, which it often does, then a revolutionary response is not appropriate.

    The Founders were deprived of the vote. This is what put them over the edge. At the time, England was probably the most democratic country on earth, yet American colonists, although subjects of the Crown, had no direct voice in parliament. That is why they were able to justify rebellion (obviously, that's a simplification, but it's the traditional reason).

    At present, while it may be tempting to make the comparison made in this diary, I don't think it's appropriate. If a sufficient level of outrage existed here regarding injustice, then the people could eliminate it easily at the ballot box. No revolution needed, except perhaps a metaphorical one.

    The fact that the injustices continue indicates that not enough people are sufficiently outraged, period.

    By the way, this is why the various initiatives throughout our history to deprive Americans of the vote, including the recent GOP program, are like playing with fire. If the people do become outraged but they can't use the ballot box to make things right, then they will have no choice but to rise up. But that situation has not yet arrived, or is it likely to any time soon. Our problem is basically that the American People either like the way things are going or don't give a shit either way.

    •  Ah! The Vote (1+ / 0-)
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      Why hasn't anyone thought of that!

      There are no sacred cows.

      by LaEscapee on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 08:33:42 PM PDT

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    •  one thing you are discounting is that the MSM (2+ / 0-)
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      is more or less now functioning as mostly a propaganda arm for our corporate owners and their government lackeys.

      people can't make appropriate decision without having all of the appropriate information. and with all of the distractions today, not to mention the status of education today, combined with the amount of misinformation and lack of information the people get from their TV and cable news shows, if they watch them, leaves them lacking mightily in the ability to make an informed decision.

      and the civic duty that voting was in generations past has slowly been declining for the most part.

      add the shenanigans in states like Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 and the GOP purge of voters rolls and the state of voting in poorer areas, well, the vote is pretty rigged even if you are informed.

      now remember that the only people who can win any election in almost every case has to be extremely well funded, so that takes away a lot of real challenge that could happen.

      so essentially, what i'm saying is, sure you can go down and vote on election day like most of us here do, so yeah - you're right, we still get to go through the motions of voting; how much it actually counts is a whole other story.

      with a rigged system, it really doesn't matter that you can physically go vote. but you can, and at least it feels good still to some. but i heartily disagree that we can truly change things with our vote. locally sure, but once you get on the national playing field or the big state races, you can kiss the influence of your vote goodbye.

      i also want to mention that the parties and the MSM have brainwashed the people at large and so most folks who do go vote, vote for the lesser of two evils cuz the "other" party would be worse, instead of say, holding our votes hostage and using them as leverage to affect change. but that's a whole other discussion.

      "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 11:03:47 PM PDT

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