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  •  OPOL, you've articulated so well my own (28+ / 0-)

    bottom line conclusion:

    Sometimes empires deserve to fall. I was hoping we'd avoid it, and hope still for a soft landing.
    The current course is not sustainable. One way or another, the 1%'s mad grab for all that's not nailed down will be brought to a halt.

    I'll deliver here yet another blow to the dead horse I've been beating for years now: The LOTE strategy is an abject failure. We MUST find the courage to withhold our support from ALL politicians who perpetuate the status quo.

    Let the villains be identified as such, and let the reformers shine golden by contrast.

    Take note: If you and I are engaged in a heated exchange, disabuse yourself of the notion that I'm trying (futilely) to win you over. My goal is to persuade the hundreds of non-commenting observers who've yet to make up their minds.

    by WisePiper on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:07:23 PM PDT

    •  That Only Works if There Are Good Alternatives. (4+ / 0-)

      We have to be creating better candidates, as the rightwing began doing back in the 60's, to feed into their party.

      If we simply don't support bad candidates we only vote in maybe 20% of races and the rightwing advances.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:12:21 PM PDT

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      •  The odd thing is (11+ / 0-)

        that when they poll the issues they wabt a candidate to cover, liberal values tend to rule supreme, but when a candidate comes along who actually embraces these values, he's mercilessly ridiculed and  the cry goes up that he doesn't have a chance in hell.

        You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

        by Johnny Q on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:19:11 PM PDT

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        •  It goes to that 'darkness' that someone mentioned (1+ / 0-)
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          up thread, that Mark Lippman mentioned, but it's not darkness. It's a plastic facade or a hologram.

          We have a distinctly fake reality that nobody believes interpersonally or as a person, but in our public understanding, or as a people slavishly give in to these days it is impenetrable.

          I've been saying this for 17 years now - attack corporate. Corporate sponsored public policy is the plastic or the hologram we are stumbling around in.

          It's nearly taken hold as a zeitgeist, but the ground is shifting again, and it's likely to be misplaced and forgotten about as we get our bearings in that new plastic reality.

          Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

          by k9disc on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 07:03:05 PM PDT

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      •  The right wing advances (4+ / 0-)

        to take sole responsibility for the policies that currently bear the finger prints of BOTH parties.

        Again, IMHO, we must let the chips fall where they may in order to ensure a stronger long term victory.

        Triage is never easy. Believe me, I don't say that glibly. It breaks my heart to see what's happening in Wisconsin and Ohio and North Carolina. But I strongly believe those states will end up being among our most progressive.

        If we just muddle along, allowing the lines to be ever blurred, the inevitable result will be greater suffering by far larger numbers.

        I absolutely agree we must start building a stronger bench at the local level and support the advancement of those who retain the faith of the people, but I believe that alone is not enough. The nation is in crisis. We don't have the same luxury of time that was afforded the Republicans.

        Take note: If you and I are engaged in a heated exchange, disabuse yourself of the notion that I'm trying (futilely) to win you over. My goal is to persuade the hundreds of non-commenting observers who've yet to make up their minds.

        by WisePiper on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:26:41 PM PDT

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        •  Sounds like these guys (1+ / 0-)
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          have taken over the party....

          You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

          by Johnny Q on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:43:10 PM PDT

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          •  Both parties n/t (0+ / 0-)

            If it's
            Not your body,
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            And it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 07:46:24 PM PDT

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            •  People who have lost their homes (5+ / 0-)

              due to the corruption of our banks will never own another.

              People who have died due to the corruption of our health care system will not rise again to vote for the right candidate to ease their pain.

              Farmers whose land has been polluted by the poisons inflicted upon them by vast corporate control of our environment will be left with no way to grow the food we need.

              We are way past the tipping point.

              What we will see in the next 4 years is a swift unraveling of the few protections we still cling to.

              This is a horror story that would scare Stephen King.

              'A scarlet tanager broke the silence with his song. She thought of the bird hidden in the leaves somewhere, unseen but nevertheless brilliant red. Nevertheless beautiful.' Barbara Kingsolver/ Prodigal Summer

              by flowerfarmer on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 06:25:54 AM PDT

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    •  50% of the population is already doing this in (4+ / 0-)

      some manner, although perhaps not with proper purpose.

      Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

      by k9disc on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 06:57:36 PM PDT

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      •  It's the old George Wallace slogan. (6+ / 0-)

        Half the population believes there's not a dime's worth of difference, so they figure "why bother?".

        Our politicians are OK with that. They fight for the persuadable sliver of the half that DO vote.

        The reason Republican pols have adopted more and more extreme positions is that the Tea Party folk have demonstrated they have the courage of their warped, misguided positions.

        Unfortunately (for them) they end up nominating pols that are repugnant to the majority of the population. The Tea Party's weakness could be OUR STRENGTH. If WE had the courage to be uncompromising in our demand that our candidates demonstrate real fealty to The New Deal and to The Great Society, they would learn within a few cycles that mere lip service to those ideals would be punished by withdrawal of support.

        Why would uncompromising demands work well for us, while it appears to be hurting the opposition? Because, what WE want in general is what the majority of the people also want - too many have despaired, however, they'll ever get it.

        Our party's greatest enemy are those among us who falsely proclaim that base Dems are more conservative than we progressives. This is bullshit, and it should be roundly and frequently rejected. Progressives want nothing more radical than for all Americans to have equal opportunity to be secure in their ability to live a decent life, free of unnecessary deprivation. And THAT is nothing more and nothing less than the American ideal.

        Take note: If you and I are engaged in a heated exchange, disabuse yourself of the notion that I'm trying (futilely) to win you over. My goal is to persuade the hundreds of non-commenting observers who've yet to make up their minds.

        by WisePiper on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 07:31:29 PM PDT

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        •  I agree. It's about rhetoric and policy jiving (5+ / 0-)

          with values.

          Republicans have coherence here.

          Democrats? Not so much.

          "Everyone deserves healthcare!" >> mandated shopping for health insurance.

          "Peace!" >> drones are surgical.

          "Fair Wages for all" >> free trade deal of the week.

          "Save the Environment" >> grow the economy

          "Progressive Taxation" >> lower corporate taxes

          Over and over the values, rhetoric and policy don't jive from the Democratic Party.

          It's why we've been losing.

          Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

          by k9disc on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 08:17:53 PM PDT

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          •  it's not as if progressives are consistent regardi (0+ / 0-)

            policy and rhetoric.

            For example, it's clear that progressives hate and/or distrust the US government, yet they demand that government be the single payer for all health care.

            Conservatives are consistent.  They hate government, so naturally hate single payer.

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