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  •  my point is why go after gore for doing what's (0+ / 0-)

    natural to him, living in this country and economy, and being a product of it if he is pushing for solutions and a constant boogeyman to the right's denial industry?

    compared with the koch bros he's doing great. the nader ref wasn't about votes, it was about principles and sacrifice. i've spent most of my spare time innovating along the lines of fixing things and improving the planet and know I would have to have money or be able to play that capitalism game to make any of it happen. or luck. there are a lot of people doing similar in the same boat.

    it's a big club, with highly principled people doing great and small things, but within this system and all those jobs dependent on the energy industry  there are probably two main avenues for climate reform- legislation, and by playing the competition game. gore is part of that and i cut him slack for the fact that, like obama, the left lets the right swiftboat him mercilessly- we didn't get his back.

    and meaningful legislation is impossible (see immigration, health, gun, food, media, tax, election, military reform) as long as the left ignores RW radio, because we can't have fact-based rational discussions on a national scale about anything. if the RW think tanks decide to stop your legislation or candidate they have a much better chance merely for that reason. we can work for years on something and all they have to do is send a PR campaign through the radio for two weeks, long enough to activate their loud outraged constituency once again to enable the obstructors.

    we let the right swiftboat gore and steal the election, like we did kerry - i don't think he deserves more of it from the left.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 01:10:40 PM PDT

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    •  Of false idols and real solutions (1+ / 0-)
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       my point is why go after gore for doing what's (0+ / 0-)

      natural to him

      You mean like being a member of the investor class?  You must have missed the point of the last post.  More capitalism is not the solution  This is precisely why I'm not into Gore -- he's a false idol.
      if he is pushing for solutions
      I'm sorry, I must have missed the communique in which Gore's effective solutions for global warming were outlined.  Was he at any point advocating keeping the grease in the ground?  
      i've spent most of my spare time innovating along the lines of fixing things and improving the planet
      Is the planet improved yet?  Or is it merely accumulated, as in capital accumulation?
      there are probably two main avenues for climate reform- legislation, and by playing the competition game.
      Then let's try legislation.
      and meaningful legislation is impossible (see immigration, health, gun, food, media, tax, election, military reform) as long as the left ignores RW radio
      No, this is an excuse for the Democratic Party's refusal to advocate.

      "It's not my fault reality is marxist." - Che Guevara

      by Cassiodorus on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 01:43:42 PM PDT

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      •  so how are you going to get legislation passed? (0+ / 0-)

        all the think tanks have to do is wait till all the work has been done, start something from their giant buzz machine and pretty soon its benghazi benghazi.

        some of the most effective legislation will be to subsidize/stimulate  clean energy, or at least even the playing field, so it can compete. or carbon tax, etc. you're not going to legislate capitalism away.

        couldn't even get single payer- made impossible since clinton with 20 years of unchallenged talk radio lying. no gun control- a no brainer right? why do we have a party that denies global warming? it's a party full of certifiable loons riding the talk radio express. how do you get the dems to get anything passed? seems like the right holds most of the cards and every time the dems try to regulate and raise taxes on the rich or stop torture or whatever, they get obstruction and end up compromising. they have to play the money and compromise game until we get election reform and move the dems left or make it possible for a third party (impossible without election reform). OWS was yelled over by 1000 radio stations and afterwards for months- politicians don't have to pay attention to protestors anymore.

        maybe win the house in 2014? every election it's the same. and how many people who think obama is a failure are going to stay hope like the fucking idiots in 2014 who didn't what they wanted when they wanted and thought all they had to do was vote blog and whine?

        the left will get nothing but scraps until they stop giving talk radio a free speech free ride.

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 04:57:37 PM PDT

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        •  It seems you live in the "progressive" universe. (1+ / 0-)
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          Don't worry -- it won't last forever.  

          you're not going to legislate capitalism away.
          You must have missed my last several posts, or perhaps my last 250+ diaries, on this topic.  Capitalism will legislate itself away.  The big question in this regard is what will happen afterward.

          "It's not my fault reality is marxist." - Che Guevara

          by Cassiodorus on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 07:39:54 PM PDT

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          •  what i'm saying is we're stuck with it for a while (0+ / 0-)

            and we're stuck with it a lot longer if its best weapon is invisible to the very people whose efforts it harms the most.

            i nor the rest of my family cannot wait for capitalism to collapse on its own. the planet cannot wait. it has to happen soon.very soon. capitalism's best weapon the last 25 years is invisible. it is talk radio but you're strategizing from behind, like all the left, because they don't even acknowledge talk radio while its kicking their ass.

            This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

            by certainot on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 08:50:19 PM PDT

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          •  PS afterward? (0+ / 0-)

            if the left still has no idea what's being blasted from their local radio stations they may not even hear the public service announcements.

            your most significant opponent is your RW state megastation which will be broadcasting dedicated free programming for the national right wing think tanks to hype 'illegal' immigrants and terrorism so they can create wars and pass voter suppression, and so on.

            This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

            by certainot on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 08:57:28 PM PDT

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