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  •  Hey, you submitted comments for an ethanol plant (0+ / 0-)

    in my state for one of your labor clients. Thanks?
    I bet they pay better and the work you do for environmental clients lends credibility when you help polluting projects. So, are any of your clients in the building and construction trade unions excited about all the new fracking jobs? I know some are lobbying hard to stop new regulation.

    •  Trash talking unions and labor isn't something (1+ / 0-)
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      Adam AZ

      consistent with the political atmosphere for Democrats here at Daily Kos.

      Your said:

      Hey, you submitted comments for an ethanol plant in my state for one of your labor clients. Thanks?
      I bet they pay better and the work you do for environmental clients lends credibility when you help polluting projects.
      So,

      You made that statement without reading the comments that I wrote and without understanding what the purpose of the filed comments was for the client.

      You are mistakenly assuming that my activities for my labor clients are for the purpose of making life easy for the permit applicant.  If this is what you think, then you are very mistaken.  

      Finally, I charge my labor clients the same hourly rate that I charge my environmental organization clients.

    •  I personally know of LakeSuperior and (5+ / 0-)

      his environmental work.  He has tirelessly defended environmentalist groups and causes for decades at a fraction of what attorneys charge.

       He's caused vast reductions in air and water pollution from dozens of industrial facilities.  He's never worked for the dark (industry) side or helped a polluting project.

      What he's done here is point out truthfully that Fox mis-stated the status of Federal environmental regulations.

      If Fox had said the natural gas industry is under-regulated, I'd have strongly agreed, and perhaps LakeSuperior would too.

      But Fox didn't say fracking was under-regulated, he said it was exempt from the Clean air and water acts.  Not so.

      “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

      by 6412093 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 03:10:18 PM PDT

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      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        I find it difficult to take his arguments seriously after claiming that methane in drinking water is unrelated to the oil and gas industry despite ample evidence to the contrary. The fact that methane naturally occurs in some areas is not evidence that fracking hasn't polluted wells.
        And he acknowledged taking union pipefitters as a major client. They're lobbying heavily for fracking because it will mean jobs for some of their members. By taking labor clients, he has in fact helped with multiple polluting projects opposed by environmental groups.

        I don't see it as all productive to jump on technical details with straw-man arguments without acknowledging the very serious threats posed by fracking.

        •  that was never stated or even suggested, try (1+ / 0-)
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          LakeSuperior

          walking away from the diary, breath, take off your ideological goggles and preconceived notions and come back later. Your character attacks have failed miserably and your own straw-men are on fire.

          Details are important and accurate statements when challenging industry and policy are essential.

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