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  •  ...yes... (3+ / 0-)

    ...psychology knows there is nothing to be done for a sociopath. In England, if a person is ever found out to be a sociopath, they are locked away for life in mental institutions because there is no therapy to be done.

    Actually, it is well known that by attempting "therapy" with a sociopath only increases that in them. It's all a game to them...and the more experience they have with interactions with different things only makes them better and better sociopaths.

    Sociopaths cannot be reasoned with...they cannot be changed into becoming concerned about others. They only  get worse. Unless they are really rich or have some great power over lots of people...they typical sociopath gets worse and worse peaking around 55-65 years old...and then is basically alone. That is unless they've successfully gotten someone to enable them and stick around.

    But most finally find themselves alone late  in life because they've screwed everyone they had in their lives...and burned all their bridges...

    Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

    by paradise50 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 12:02:32 PM PDT

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    •  Well, (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm skeptical of this:

      ...psychology knows there is nothing to be done for a sociopath. In England, if a person is ever found out to be a sociopath, they are locked away for life in mental institutions because there is no therapy to be done.

      Actually, it is well known that by attempting "therapy" with a sociopath only increases that in them. It's all a game to them...and the more experience they have with interactions with different things only makes them better and better sociopaths.

      Sociopaths cannot be reasoned with...they cannot be changed into becoming concerned about others. They only  get worse.

      According to the Mayo Clinic, it's called "antisocial personality disorder" and according to the National Institute of Mental Health, it affects a very small percentage of people:
      Specific prevalence rates for borderline personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder were estimated at 1.4 percent and 0.6 percent, respectively.
      The Mayo Clinic says it's difficult to treat but not impossible:
      Antisocial personality disorder is very difficult to treat. People with this disorder may not even want treatment or think they need it. But people with antisocial personality disorder need treatment and close follow-up over the long term.
      But does this disorder explain all "evil" people?

      "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

      by Dragon5616 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 12:31:40 PM PDT

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      •  ...I'll have to dig up the book... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...where I read about this guy. I spent quite some time learning about sociopaths after my personal experience.

        A sociopath will definitely be anti-social in terms of true connection, BUT sociopathic people are very engaged with people in the world. They need a constant stream of people to use then discard. This is what they do...this is their pattern.

        The statics I've seen state that 4% of Americans are sociopathic...1 out of every 25 people. There are degrees of sociopathy as well.

        Clearly you desire to argue for sociopaths as being redeemable for some reason.  Clearly you've never dealt with one in your personal life. Clearly you are talking from a theoretical point of view.

        I'm done. I won't continue a conversation any longer with a person that has one spec of "empathy for sociopaths" because you don't know what you are talking about...just theoretical stuff for you. I've never said that to you before...but you do not know what you're talking about.

        I hope you NEVER have a sociopath in your life because they will destroy you and enjoy it. They will eviscerate you emotionally and pshychologically.

        If you think a sociopath can be helped with therapy...you're totally full of crap. I'll did up the book eventually and let you know what it is.

        I have been permanently altered (including physically) as a consequence of the actions of a sociopath. The destruction of my life was immediate in real time and continues to this day.

        If you talk to anyone who has personally been involved with a sociopath then you will hear all about how utterly destructive they were.

        Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

        by paradise50 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 01:38:00 PM PDT

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        •  I do not mean (1+ / 0-)
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          to upset you, p50.

          I also do not pretend to be qualified to treat that disorder. But there are treatments.

          If anitsocial personality disorder is, in fact, a disorder, then wouldn't we want to treat those folks and regard their disorder and them (not their sociopathic behavior) with compassion, as we do with other mental/behavioral disorders?

          I do not doubt your statement that those suffering from the disorder are destructive and hurtful to others. I do not excuse their actions. But if you believe, as I do--and I think you do--that we are all human and all connected, and if you believe as you say you do that as long as someone is suffering from this disorder, they are incapable of controlling their destructive behavior, then why wouldn't one feel compassion? And search for treatments?

          Here's the full text of the Mayo Clinic blurb on treatment:

          Psychotherapy
          Psychotherapy, also called talk therapy, is sometimes used to treat antisocial personality disorder. Psychotherapy is not always effective, especially if symptoms are severe and the person can't admit that he or she contributes to problems.

          Psychotherapy may be provided in individual sessions, in group therapy, or in sessions that include family or even friends.

          Medications
          There are no medications specifically approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat antisocial personality disorder. However, several types of psychiatric medications may help with certain conditions sometimes associated with antisocial personality disorder or with symptoms such as aggression. These medications may include antipsychotic, antidepressant or mood-stabilizing medications. They must be prescribed cautiously because some have the potential for misuse.

          Skills for family members
          If you have a loved one with antisocial personality disorder, it's critical that you also get help for yourself. Mental health professionals with experience managing this condition can teach you skills to learn how to set boundaries and help protect yourself from the aggression, violence and anger common to antisocial personality disorder. They can also recommend strategies for coping.

          Ask the people on your loved one's treatment team for a referral. They may also be able to recommend support groups for families and friends affected by antisocial personality disorder.

          This certainly reads like they think it is a disorder and at least somewhat treatable.

          As to the percentage of population suffering from the disorder, I got that from the linked NIMH website.

          Beyond this, I still wonder if everyone we call "evil" is suffering from this disorder?

          "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

          by Dragon5616 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 02:55:01 PM PDT

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        •  Here's a link (1+ / 0-)
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          to an NPR interview with a self-confessed sociopath.

          The link says in part:

          Thomas admits that sociopaths can be dangerous; they're hungry for power, and they don't feel guilt or remorse. But they're not inherently evil, and some are highly productive members of society. Thomas herself is an attorney, law professor and Sunday school teacher. She founded the website SociopathWorld.com.

          Emphasis added

          The sociopath says this, which gives me hope that redemption is a possibility:
          I had just lost a job. I had just lost several relationships. And it wasn't the first time that something like this had happened to me, where my life seemed to just fall apart. And I thought, 'Well, I can't keep doing this — every few years have my life just go kaput. And so I thought, 'What is the common denominator here? It's me. There must be something that I'm doing that's causing this.' So I started going to therapy, and therapy didn't really help that much. ... But I remembered through therapy a casual diagnosis that one of my co-workers had made years before. And I explained to her how I viewed the world and my ethical principles, and she said very nicely, 'You might consider the fact that you are a sociopath.' So I looked it up, and I saw the traits, and it made sense. And it made sense in a way that nothing really before had.
          This seems to provide anecdotal evidence that talk might help.

          "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others." --Groucho Marx

          by Dragon5616 on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 03:19:53 PM PDT

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