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  •  I think this is avoiding reality (19+ / 0-)

    It is just taking the government talking points and using the cutesy and hackneyed joke language, that avoids complete sentences and more importantly complete thoughts, because it is about tribal defense of team rather than confronting what's happening.

    What matters here has nothing to do with adoring Snowden.  It wouldn't matter what Snowden's voting history was.  

    We have secret courts with tremendous power, redefining legality, and some people are willing to pretend that this is open government.  

    •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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      Fogiv, ord avg guy

      In Snowden World we will have no hackneyed joke sentences that avoids incomplete thoughts. Plus no confronting of team, or rather, what's happening.

      Oh shit.

      •  are you comfortable (1+ / 0-)
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        with the level of secret government?

        does it make you feel more secure?

        when the government of the USA forced the plane carrying the president of Bolivia to turn around, do you feel it was protecting you and carrying out our national will?

        do you feel that the Congress, Courts and President are moving toward the ideals of our nation's founders?

        I am not comfortable with the level of secret government we've got.  It doesn't make me feel more secure.  When Evo Morales' plane was forced down, I believe it was acting in direct opposition to human decency, democracy, and diplomatic wisdom.  I believe that the Congress, Courts and our President are siding with King George against the people of the United States.

        I bet Philip Crowley never voted for Ron Paul.

        •  Of course not. Yeesh. (0+ / 0-)
          I am not comfortable with the level of secret government we've got.
          Neither am I or 99% of the people posting here.

          That said, my verdict is still out on Edward Snowden.

          Do you see that? Do you see how the two can be different issues?

          •  a verdict on edward snowden? (1+ / 0-)
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            THAT'S what worries you here?

            we have a secret court which is preempting our entire judiciary and you are worried about a verdict on snowden?

            why aren't you talking about a 'verdict' on clapper? or obama?  

            to make this about snowden is  to show a great indifference to the transformation of our ideals.

            it used to be, we knew our government was spying on us a lot, but at least we knew it was wrong.

            now a lot of people are trying to say it's right.

            if snowden is the issue to you, the transformation of our society into a police state, by design of an elite, is not.

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