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  •  Hypocritical mfers! (3+ / 0-)
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    So much for freedom of religion, and freedom of religious expression.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 04:20:32 PM PDT

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    •  ? (0+ / 0-)

      Asking a network not to air a program may be kind of silly, but what does it have to do with "freedom of religious expression"?

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      by HudsonValleyMark on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 06:02:45 PM PDT

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      •  Substitute any religious group - (3+ / 0-)

        such as the Catholic church, or the Mormon Church, or a Wiccan group (I don't know what they call their place of worship), or a Muslim Mosque, or a Jewish synagogue, or how about Nuns On The Bus?

        If any group contracts with a TV station to profile their group leaders in a docuseries - who is anyone from any other organization to tell them they can't profile them?

        Should the Catholic Bishops who covered up pedophile priests have a right to silence profiles of Nuns On The Bus, just because the Bishops don't think the Nuns' mission comports with the Bishops views of Catholic faith?

        If a progressive Muslim Mosque gets profiled in a docuseries should any other group have a right to tell a network that those Muslims are not reflecting true Muslim faith?

        That's how the Community Center in downtown New York City was targeted by extremist Christian groups who believe that there are no moderate Muslims and that any moderate Muslims are actually sleeper terrorist cells, infiltrating the US government and culture.

        Personally, I think the program looks ridiculous, but I hope it alerts some people to the grand scale hustling that is going on in the name of religion.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 07:15:45 PM PDT

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        •  This is just ridiculous. (0+ / 0-)
          If any group contracts with a TV station to profile their group leaders in a docuseries - who is anyone from any other organization to tell them they can't profile them?
          The people signing this petition aren't telling the network anything; they're asking them to cancel this series, because they think it unfairly represents their religion.
          If a progressive Muslim Mosque gets profiled in a docuseries should any other group have a right to tell a network that those Muslims are not reflecting true Muslim faith?
          Yes. Each and every other individual or group has the right to tell the network what they think about the network's programming.

          That's how freedom of speech works. The network has the right to air the program, and those who dislike the program or think it unfairly represents them or something they care about have the right to express their discontent with the network's programming.

          Are you seriously suggesting that any expression of disagreement with a network is an attempt to "silence" the network and violate their rights?

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:31:33 PM PDT

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          •  Missed the point (0+ / 0-)

            The hypocrites are claiming their exclusive access to Christian truth and interpretation, which is BS no matter how sincerely they believe it.

            No one is challenging their right of speech.

            And certainly no one is challenging their right to petition those who right the checks.

            No one is challenging their right to generate and sign petitions, telling entertainment companies what is right and proper entertainment behavior for television. But if any other organization floated a petition to challenge any profitable campaign the official Charisma group promoted, suppose e.g. a conference series, then they would scream bloody murder that their freedom of religion was under attack.

            They are just mad that some enterprising people have carved out some of their market.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 10:17:43 PM PDT

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      •  More concisely - you've heard the term (1+ / 0-)
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        "prosperity gospel"?

        If adherents/followers of charistmatic pastors who preach prosperity gospel want to go on TV and "witness" to the masses, because they see that as part of their religious duty to spread the faith, than that is part of their religious expression.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 07:18:45 PM PDT

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        •  huh? I've read your comments above (0+ / 0-)

          and, to be honest, I'm not quite sure what it is you are trying to say.

          Cause he gets up in the morning, And he goes to work at nine, And he comes back home at five-thirty, Gets the same train every time.

          by Keith930 on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 07:35:59 PM PDT

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          •  Okay, I'll try to rephrase (1+ / 0-)
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            Personally, I think they are all hucksters.

            But there are people for whom religious expression is also a kind of performance, and entertainment is one mechanism by which they attempt to reach the unwashed heathen masses.

            So it all fits that their church members may see going on television as an opportunity from God to share the [prosperity] gospel.

            The underlying message is - "Follow me, get right with the lord church, and you too can be part of this fun love bomb that will make us all rich.

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 07:58:25 PM PDT

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    •  Not really, no. (2+ / 0-)
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      The pastors on that show continue to have the right to freely practice and express their religious beliefs. Nothing about that petition made even the slightest suggestion that the government should take any action against the pastors on this show. Their freedom of religion remains completely intact.

      The people signing this petition also have rights, though—including the right to freedom of speech. And they are using that right to express their views about this show.

      The network is then free to do what it chooses in response to that feedback—whether that involves ignoring it, changing the show to address it, or canceling the show.

      Not one person's rights are being violated in this entire situation. The system is working completely as intended.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 09:35:15 PM PDT

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