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  •  "Criminals will always get guns". . . (6+ / 0-)

    . . .wingnuts always proclaim, even if they are illegal. And yet, they think making abortion illegal will, like magic, make it go away.

    It hasn't in the past and now, it isn't in the present either.

    •  and by the same token (0+ / 0-)

      the Sandy Hook shooter stole the firearms he carried to the school, and the car he carried them in.

      But that's a damn inconvenient truth, isn't it?

      He committed his first murder at his home. He killed his mother. He took her legally-owned firearms and her legally-owned automobile, and he embarked on a terroristic attack on a school where he knew good and damned well nobody would be able to return his fire.

      That's another damn inconvenient truth, isn't it?

      There hasn't been a single one of these mass shootings set off anywhere a victim or potential target might have been able to return fire, from Columbine to Fort Hood, including Sandy Hook and a theatre in Denver.

      You're perfectly willing to accept and point out that women will keep getting abortions, even if they have to break the law to do it.
      How do you also deny that criminals will keep finding ways to get their hands on weapons even if they have to break (another) law to do it?

      The cognitive dissonance astonishes me.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Fri Jul 12, 2013 at 10:16:21 AM PDT

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      •  reading comprehension, my friend (0+ / 0-)

        You missed the part where I said "wingnuts proclaim". I never said I bought into the argument myself. I was merely pointing out the inconsistencies of their "thought".

        In truth, I don't think very many of them think at all. They're parrots, capable of short, incomplete thoughts and therein is their problem.

      •  Guns are a wee bit harder to procure than (0+ / 0-)

        coathangars, or pennyroyal tea, or a flight of stairs.

        •  your point is valid (0+ / 0-)

          but is completely irrelevant to the point I was making

          •  Not really. (0+ / 0-)

            In order to obtain a gun in a state with laws which would not allow you to have one, you'd have to take risks in order to get one -- well, if it weren't for the gun-show loopholes that would let a convicted felon walk into any gun show and walked out armed.  While this isn't much of a deterrent for someone who's going to go out on a suicide mission, it raises the bar for other, less-planed-out criminality.  (Also, frankly, there's just not much that can be done, period, to stop a determined person from killing a lot of people.  I can think of a number of ways to do so that don't involve firearms -- but they're all more logistically difficult to pull off, which is a good thing.)

            •  exasperated (0+ / 0-)

              The point I was making was concerning LOGIC. I used a common expression of the wingnut/ gun rights crowd to show the discrepancy between that phrase and their mental gymnastics concerning abortion. The post was not about guns, their availibiliity or the risks involved with them. The point was about LOGIC, LOGIC, and LOGIC.

    •  That's because they are misery-mongers. (0+ / 0-)

      Fascism thrives on fear — better still, inevitability — of painful death, whether from gunshot wound in the head or a ripped uterus.

      Pain, suffering, & despair are their desired outcome.

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