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  •  I would submit that Snowden (17+ / 0-)

    has little choice but to approach Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Ecuador for asylum.  No one else has the balls to accept him.  Any other country would put him on ice and send him straight back to the US, so cowed are other countries by the overweening and overwhelming power of the US.  And if he goes back, is he going to have anything resembling a fair trial? He would wind up in the military hell-hole Manning is in or, failing that, in Guantanamo.  I'm thoroughly fed up with people who use this step as a means to condemn him.  

    -7.13 / -6.97 "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

    by GulfExpat on Sat Jul 13, 2013 at 08:03:50 AM PDT

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    •  It's not exactly a winning argument to say he had (4+ / 0-)

      no choice but to seek the aid of individuals whom he puts himself up as in opposition to, morally. His moral compass, he professes, is one where he seem to decry civil and human rights violations as a moral issue, and yet he goes to the most notorious violators of human rights in the world to seek their "protection"? So is protecting his freedom to move about more important than the moral issue of human rights violations?  

      This is what you are suggesting.... He needed protection so he has to ignore human rights violations to get it?

      By the way, many here are criticizing the U.S. for allowing the desire to protect itself from terrorism to cause it to violate the rights of others.  See that? The argument by many on this side is, "we should not allow the need for protection to cause us to ignore the rights of others."

      This is Snowden's argument... And he is doing the exact same thing!

      I want to protect myself, so I will ignore these countries' long documented histories of human rights violations. Quite hypocritical to say the least.

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