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  •  And rural Western States... (1+ / 0-)
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    Sometimes used women's suffrage to entice more settlers.

    It still amazes me that WYOMING was the first state to give women the right to vote.

    •  Utah was the first territory to give women votes (3+ / 0-)
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      I think slightly before Wyoming. But the Feds refused to let Utah be a state and repealed women's voting rights in the territory when they temporarily dissolved the LDS Church (which was a big fan of it, coincidentally. I remember reading an old story about polygamous wives marching for the right to vote, while simultaneously insisting that they were happy in a polygamous marriage).

      When Utah asked to become a state one last time, the Feds told them to not give women the right to vote.

      Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

      by Gygaxian on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:21:18 AM PDT

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      •  So, the problems we face today (1+ / 0-)
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        with women acting all uppity, like their opinions matter, started with Utah, huh? Good to know...

        "The polls are meaningless, riddled with biases, inaccuracies, and an unrealistic electorate. The only poll that matters is the one on election day..."--said by any number of candidates down in the polls

        by bjssp on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:24:02 AM PDT

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      •  Dang, too slow on my part :) (0+ / 0-)

        27, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-10 (formerly PA-02/NY-12, then PA-02/NY-14). Also at http://xenocrypt.blogspot.com.

        by Xenocrypt on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:26:02 AM PDT

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      •  Almost. (2+ / 0-)
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        Wyoming passed in 1869. Utah passed in 1870... Before the feds went after them.

        And yes, that's another doozy.

        And of course, Nevada gets the tiny violin. We didn't grant women's suffrage until 1914.

      •  Just out of curiosity (1+ / 0-)
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        Do you know what the ratio of male/females was in Utah in those early days?  It always seemed to me that polygamy was not a sustainable family model since it requires far more females than males.  We see that in the handful of polygamist sects still active.  Many young males have to be kicked out of the community for it to work.

        •  Not sure, it was somewhat lopsided towards (1+ / 0-)
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          women at the beginning though, since there had been dozens if not a hundred or so men getting murdered by anti-Mormons or leaving the Church before the move to Utah. Sometimes the women defied their husbands and stuck with the Mormons. That was one of the justifications for openly practicing polygamy, anyway.

          Plus there was a lot of new immigrant converts, male and female, so it was pretty stable for a while. The non-LDS population in Utah was very male-dominated though.

          The splinter sects have such small numbers and few women join them willingly rather than being born into it, (and the sect leaders are bigger horndogs than any of the polygamist mainstream LDS leaders), so that does explain the gender disparity.

          Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

          by Gygaxian on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 11:17:20 AM PDT

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    •  Hell. (4+ / 0-)
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      The U.S. made Utah re-ban women's suffrage before we let it become a state!  

      What was more surprising to me was that Utah's congressmen voted against Prohibition in this same Congress.  Apparently Prohibition had complicated politics in Utah:

      Utah Republican leader Senator Reed Smoot, also an apostle, was concerned that support for Prohibition might alienate non-Mormon Republican supporters. President Joseph F. Smith was also torn between his desire for Prohibition and his desire for defeat of the American Party, an anti-Mormon third party in the state. With many views affecting its vote, the 1909 state legislature narrowly defeated a statewide prohibition bill, and Governor William Spry later vetoed a local option bill that would have given cities authority to ban alcoholic beverage sales.

      In 1910 President Smith instructed the Quorum of the Twelve to ignore statewide prohibition and work for local option. After a local option bill passed the state legislature in March 1911, Church leaders encouraged members to vote their communities "dry" in statewide elections. Most communities did so, but Salt Lake City, Ogden, and other cities with large non-LDS populations continued to allow the sale of alcohol.

      Statewide prohibition again became a major political issue in 1915, with Elder Grant leading the supporters. Although Senator Smoot was no longer opposed to Prohibition, Governor Spry was. A prohibition bill easily passed the Utah legislature, but not in time to avoid the governor's pocket veto. During 1916 many LDS leaders were chagrined that Utah had not yet voted for Prohibition, particularly since Idaho, Colorado, Arizona, Washington, and Oregon had already done so.

      27, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-10 (formerly PA-02/NY-12, then PA-02/NY-14). Also at http://xenocrypt.blogspot.com.

      by Xenocrypt on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:25:40 AM PDT

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    •  Wyoming (6+ / 0-)

      They did it because they needed to have a certain number of registered voters to qualify for statehood, and the quickest way to do that was by enfranchising women.

      SSP poster. 44, CA-6, -0.25/-3.90

      by sacman701 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 at 10:44:02 AM PDT

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    •  It was my understanding that (1+ / 0-)
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      Wyoming gave the right to vote to women in 1869 as an attempt to meet the population requirements for statehood.

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